Moontanman

I actually did have a talk with a retired field biologist that worked for fish and game and he did agree that the populations have been increased from very low genetic diversity and that inbreeding could be at the heart of the deer thing. At least some of the deer are really leucistic and have blue eyes with normal eyesight but snow white fur or scales in the case of reptiles. . A large number of albino alligators have hatched out of eggs collected from the wild. I have never seen an adult albino sea turtle. There are Black Bears with white fur, a small population in the Canadian West. There are also animals with melanism something else rather rare in most populations... I caught a melanistic RedFin Pickerel several years ago, I know of populations of new fish species that are IMHO differentiated from the general population due to isolated conditions and limited food supply, probably merge back with the area populations if the isolation was broken. I'm not going to give up just yet. I know I've read this stuff someplace... The reason I made clear that these animals are breeding in the wild is because we are breeding a great many unusual animals in captivity now days and some of the mutations that have been fixed are impressive... but not related to the wild populations.

I have a very "visceral knowledge" that Aliens did it, I'm not saying aliens did it but it sure feels that way when I have a stomach bug...

I think you might be right, to be honest I thought I would find a citation for this quite easily but I didn't, lots of stuff about hunting these deer but a distinct lack of any consideration as to why or even if the number of normal colors to odd ones..

That has been put forward as an explanation of or for UFOs.

No in relatively recent history more and more odd colored animals are starting to appear in the wild. From Deer to Turtles unusual color sports are starting to become more common, you can see it very easily in populations of deer, that is the fist wild adult albino sea turtle i've ever seen but it made me think of some other odd balls that have been showing up, whales, dolphins, alligators. Most of these are animals who populations were decimated in the recent past and are now regaining numbers. I think it represents the results of the genetic bottleneck of low numbers.

Hmmm, didn't the first two world wars start out as various factions began to change sides and take sides?

White, would be a doubtful way to conceal yourself in a non white environment, it might work in the Arctic but albinism is widely considered a problem for any animal in the wild...

I honestly see no way that two or more superpowers would go up against each other, Russia, China they know which way the wind is blowing a hundred years and they might have total global domination but by then they will be so watered down we wouldn't notice. The mid size players realise how worthless nukes really are but if you poke the bull hard enough you might be on the receiving end of a few MIRVs so accurate they hardly need warheads to kill a few people if you really know where they are. I don't think we are anywhere near as hair triggered as people say, use of a nuke by one of the little guys would get reprisal and I would bet it would be a thermonuclear warhead or two... but no way anyone who is really not involved would want to step up and kick a giant, them bombs ain't so small now days... but they are accurate...

I'm thinking genetic bottleneck from there being so few in the world it's causing inbreeding on a huge scale, it's happening in sea mammals, sea turtles, deer, I can't think of another reason to for many albino and leucistic animals in the wild..

Quiz lets discuss what this phenomena indicates....

Like most things in warfare, one side gains an advantage and the other side counters it... I have seen film of powerful lasers going through regular mirrors like hot butter though...

I would have to say I have a bit of a love affair with technology and tend to believe when I read in pop science articles. It stems from a mild childhood embarrassment when a teacher humiliated me in front of a science class because I had asserted that eventually lasers would be small enough to be hand held and that weapons grade laser would one day be a possibility as well. Star trek had just premiered and I was enthralled with it. He pointed that lasers required so much energy and enough equipment to fill the class room and how fragile they were and various things and of course the other kids laughed their asses off as kids will do. I now carry a hand held laser pointer in my pocket every day to remind me that authority figures are not always correct. Johns objections are difficult to counter but we've had lasers powerful enough to shoot down incoming artillery rounds for quite some time. I have to think that as technology marches on they will become more and more relevant to the military and punching through bad weather is close to the only stumbling block left. John was correct to be sceptical and my link gave no details that would allow anyone of us to to dispute Johns Objections...

So to talk to you about this we have presuppose a god as real?

Entertain with physics... https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-u2WXrR-Y6Zc/VCLdxNXv3yI/AAAAAAAAWz0/LIEkChQZ37o/w506-h380/timing.gif

I linked you to a video that explicitly stated that very thing. At this point in time mammals consist of four varieties, at one time there were many, primates are the same way, I honestly don'y get what you are trying to say...

Did you completely miss post #39 or are you using mistakes in a context i am not understanding?

Actually there are still areas suitable to mammoths and wooly rhinos Alaskan and Canadian wilderness areas are almost untouched by man and have a dearth of large herbivores and I wonder how siberian tigers would complete with kodiak bears. Room could be made in the midwest but strong fences to keep them out of populated areas would be necessary. The fences do work but in africa and india malasia there is simply not enough land to fence off. It could be done, it would cost trillions but create jobs as well. The malaysian rhino is the closest relative to the wooly rhino, indian elephants are the closest to mammoths. It would be an interesting experiment to see if humans can create instead of destroy, there are lots of creatures on the edge of extinction that could use a helping hand as well, musk oxen come to mind but there are fishes as well. The dwarf sturgeon could use some help from habitat loss and is small enough to breed in captivity for the aquarium trade, the aquarium trade has keep populations of fish alive no one else cared about http://www.fishbase.org/summary/8764, Pseudoscaphirhynchus hermanni[/size] or this sturgeon Pseudoscaphirhynchus kaufmanni [/size] I don't think it's unreasonable to move animals around, in fact it's what we do, more than any other animal on the planet we spread our domestic animals that often go wild and and even intentionally spread wild animals for various reasons, sport hunting and sport fishing being big incentives. Generally extinction is forever, we humans have both directly and indirectly caused the extinction of many animals, I don't think it's too much to ask to apply our resources and technology to saving the wild animals we have left. Manatees are a particular favorite of mine as well. This one has to be very cute http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarf_manatee but we also have manatees on the east coast where i live and I have seen them a few times. We kill them with our boats by running over them! Freshwater dolphins that are being eradicated in their home rivers could be moved to the Mississippi, at least two species could live there quite well. There us a threatened species of freshwater porpoise as well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finless_porpoise If we could just stop killing each other just maybe we could save some of the biodiversity of this planet before it's too late. Several years ago i proposed in a science organization a plan to help save the Pseudoscaphirhynchus hermanni and it's close relative Pseudoscaphirhynchus kaufmanni by captive breeding them and then stocking them recovering rivers in appalachia, In fact the river I chose as my model was the Poca River. It was given some serious consideration or at least it's merits were but at the time invasive fish were a big item and little support could be had for introducing new species. Even though fish and game do it with some regularity and with variable results just to please sport fishing not to save a species...

That is exactly what I am suggesting... in fact i would say that diversity is less now than then...

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You are still not seeing the big picture, lots of animals in those lineages did diversify but are simply not present today. This video while lengthy does explain that animals were at one time more diverse than they are today. At one time we shared this earth with several species of human, today there is only one.

Growing up in foster care is better than being abused and the parents need to be punished, retribution can be a large positive factor in the recovery of victims, see your abuser hauled off in chains can be very uplifting and helps to remove the self loathing and guilt felt by those that are abused. I regained my dignity by running my abusive step father away with a gun when he was beating my mom.

Rewilding is a very controversial idea, the american midwest has been suggested for elephants, rhinos and other african animals. I have been involved in conversations with some of the people who are going to be making these decisions, I doubt it's going to go over well, elephants roaming the midwest is not something Americans are going to sign off on, wolves and coyotes are controversial enough.

Mistakes in the bible http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Scientific_errors_in_the_Bible http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html http://atheism.about.com/od/biblecontradictionserror/tp/Scientific-Historical-Errors-Mistakes-Bible.htm I could go on and on...