Moontanman

Nope, just moved to speculations...

Ophiolites post is nonsense? I would say pot meet kettle but that would give you too much credit...

Bucky the Cat, part Siamese part chainsaw... Predator snails take down giant herbivore snail, day three of the fight...

No, Neon is made in stars as one of the products of fusion of lighter elements into heavy ones... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neon

An analogy that is reasonably accurate is the whale carcass on the bottom of the ocean, the scavengers that live on it, some colonize the carcass, might see the whale as being specifically designed for them because it fits their needs so well but it is they who adapted to the whale carcass not the whale that was made just for them...

No, I am quite aware of what i am saying... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationalism

"Empirical Rationalist" I adhere to the idea that only what can be tested and shown to have a physical effect in the world is real... Everything else is just posturing... "my ideas are better than his ideas" meaningless with no positive evidence...

I know that and it is relevant... I would say I am an adherent to the weak anthropic principle.. no creator or fine tuner, we just adapted to this universe because we are here... I see no reason to assume other wise or to stifle investigation into reality or to assume the life we see and are part of is the only possibility but at the moment we are the only ones we can observe...

I would suggest this, anything you can assert with no evidence can be dismissed with no evidence, I see no evidence of the meta physical, so anything that is not a logical contradiction can be asserted as meta physics? I am an empirical rationalist, if it can not be shown to affect reality in a testable way it is not knowledge... Exactly what meta physical effects do we use to create technology? What good does meta physics do us? Does meta physics feed the world? Cure disease? Take us across continents? Land on the Moon? I would really like to see some evidence of the meta physical that wasn't just someone asserting something that is totally baseless... Debating the equivalent of how many angels can dance on the head of a pin seems a bit useless to me...

s1eep you are beginning to sound shrill as if reality is threatening your world view. That is not a problem if your world view is reality. I honestly would like to help you with understanding why belief does not equal knowledge but you will have to explain the terms you keep using. "and just because science hasn't got the range to find it, doesn't mean it's non-existent." Agreed, this is true but we can't prove the sugar plum fairy doesn't exist either does that mean they are real? " You can hardly pass the borders of our solar system." This is a mistake on your part, I suggest you study a little astronomy, you would be amazed at what we do know about the universe.. "dream states in the universe" I really do not understand what you mean by this, of course dream states exist, I awoke last night from a very realistic dream, but I doubt the flying motorcycle I was riding had any basis in reality. By definition dream states only exist in our minds and are usually very short snippets of memory our brains are trying to make sense of. "you phase into existence as a baby, why can't we fade into a new existence." If you phase into existence from non existence when you are born why would you expect not to phase out of existence when you die? "Anyway, you have a word-virus, therefore I'm more intelligent than you, purely because I'm above the word." I honestly have no idea what you mean by this, please explain... "Life after death is more probably existent than it is non-existent, because the universe is too complex for you to figure out. " I disagree, in fact I would say the universe is well on it's way to being understood. I would also add your inability to understand does not mean others do not. "You can nullify fluctuating life, but you can't explain life's true meaning. " Please elaborate on what you are asking, this makes little sense... "natural morality" what is natural morality and where does it come from? "you believe your ineptitude to perceive the true universe is normal." Please show us how you perceive the "true" universe and how you arrive at your conclusions about the "true" universe. "Go ahead and ignore what I said again, and use science-based rules to defeat religious-based rules, because, as you will say egotistically, "it's better". Please show which religion's rules are correct and then show how you know that religion is correct. "Do I believe there are things science can't discover? " This is quite an assertion but I would ask exactly what would you do if science and all it's fruits were to stop tomorrow? What would you do with all the billions of dead bodies as they piled up as people died from lack of the first world civilization science has built for you to live comfortably in? Science knows it doesn't everything, if it knew every thing science would stop... "Yes. I don't think you'll ever visit an entity outside of our solar system, let alone travel to the far reaches of the universe, or outer-limits, " Well if we are taking belief as evidence as you seem to be saying then you are wrong, these things have already happened... "What you promote is to not have this belief, and follow the very simple in comparison, stream like a dead fish." No, what we propose is to separate belief from reality, you are welcome to believe what ever you want but you cannot have your own facts "I possess belief, and this belief is based on things I have experienced." No, belief posses you, and personal experiences you cannot demonstrate are not evidence.. It is very important to understand that belief does not equal knowledge... Also there is this s1eep, I guess I'll have to wait a week to get your reply... anything you can assert with no evidence can be dismissed with no evidence..

This is quite easy to answer and no again I am not trying to be a smart ass... If there was nothing you would not be here to question why... No matter what the first cause is or even if there was one if it hadn't happened you would not be here to ask the question. To further my point it makes no difference how unlikely the universe, no matter how many 10 to quadrillions odds you think are stacked against the universe being the way it is if it wasn't you wouldn't be here to ask the questions... If things were different... Things would be different... That is the most basic answer that can be given, the unlikelihood of the universe has nothing to do with anything, we are already here...

This thread has turned amazingly misogynistic, it's difficult to wrap my mind around a human being being treated as property much less checking to see if your daughter is a virgin by letting every one who is interested take a look... But I do feel the need to point out that there is absolutely no evidence for the existence of or the accuracy of any of this stuff... Since this thread is "God proven to exist according to mainstream physics" possibly we need to stick to what is possible in the natural world and since we are talking about a time when technology was limited to the bronze age need we debate over turning water into wine or virgin births or walking on water as natural processes? If they occurred they were supernatural, no technology existed at the time to allow these things to happen, suggesting anything but technology could bring them to pass is no different than saying "God did it"...

Well if Christians are correct then after you die is a bit late. Documentaries are not evidence of anything but a scramble for ratings...

You are puzzling me, you seem to expect everything to be explained right now when in fact science is an on going process and i doubt you'll ever get anyone with an understanding of how the universe works to say something definite at this point about where the universe comes from, it could be turtles all the way as far as we can ever know...

maybe... maybe not.. at this point it's hard to say since we know little to nothing about conditions at T=0 or before or even if there could be a before. The 4D star collapsing into a black hole tearing a hole in space time resulting in another universe is interesting to me. http://phys.org/news/2013-09-goodbye-big-black-hole-theory.html

No, but cause and effect is somewhat less than applicable... and matter can spontaneously form from energy fields...

Because it could... not being a smart ass, what can happen usually does...

First of the term "absolutely nothing magically" is meaningless... "two choices" is what you claim, I see no reason to say that, you claim there is but I showed you at least one other and there are others as well but at this point in time the "current big bang is as close as we can get" is the only honest way to answer that question. Also saying something had to have a cause does not necessarily apply in the realm of the quantum. One theory at least suggests the energy came from another universe via a black in that universe causing ours to form from a white hole. Such a process could be viewed as cosmic evolution, the idea is that universes with constants that make more black holes cause more universes with their constants. There is a lot of speculation but right now all we can honestly say is there was an expansion of space time about 13.7 billion years ago...

Another thing to understand is that just because we don't know now has nothing to do with the reality of the situation. At this time we can't calculate back further than the big bang, maybe we never will but I am betting that it's just our current knowledge can't deal with it..

Actually the idea is that the brane collisions are cyclic over vast amounts of time embedded in a multidimensional bulk space. This bulk space may or may not contain many branes or even things we do not know of and have no way of knowing.

As I have said before, in the face of the lack of evidence the default position is it doesn't exist.. and anything you can assert with no evidence can be dismissed with no evidence..

Can you give an example of a miracle after death? BTW, if you want to call someone a crank i suggest you take a good long look in the mirror..

So you are going to believe what you want to believe? BTW, I wasn't playing word games...

There are other schools of thought... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekpyrotic_universe