Moontanman

Unity+, are we using individual religions to debate this idea of theistic scientists or not? I am well aware of how people compartmentalize their beliefs away from reality and a superfluous understanding of a religion allows this compartmentalized belief. My voyage away from religion resulted from a critical investigation of what religion, specifically what I needed to believe to be true vs reality, reality won... I don't see how anyone, much less a scientist, can ignore the disconnect between reality and religion. Compartmentalization might allow a person to believe in rainbows as supernatural effects that have only occurred since Noah's flood as a sign of a promise by god to never murder every one on the earth again but the reality of rainbows calls into question the rationality of the guy who believes this if he knows the true reality of rainbows but prefers to believe goddidit...

And this Jesus character is relevant to theistic scientists in what way?

That picture is not the picture of any arthropod, larvae or adult...

well then we are back to how can a person study the natural world and still believe in something that flies in the face of that natural world...?

I'd like to read a few of those, I am very familiar with the Bible, I know of no accurate description of reality in the bible that were not self evident of the time it was written. In fact it is dead wrong about many things it asserts about reality... Getting a few things right is reasonable, coincidences do happen but the major things it's wrong about are huge... And yet you keep defending your version of reality not some generic version...

It's obviously not meant as an accurate representation of reality either...

Pot... meet Kettle... Didn't you open the door on that one by asserting your god as The God? Again meaningless in this context.

And the idea of god is supported by what? I would suggest the magnitude of the work around's required for god is far bigger than the work around's involved with string theory. Historically accurate is meaningless in this context, other religious texts are historically accurate to the same degree as the bible... Hindu for instance or Sikh...

Ok what makes your religion any more valid than the Hindu religion? Math makes string theory look valid but the idea of god has no math to back it up.

Science cannot prove or disprove many things, does that make them equally valid?

So we are talking about giant beetles that fly at hundreds if not thousands of miles an hour and glow in the dark? This is not even close enough to being right to be wrong. How or why would a giant insect be able to make a right angle turn any better than a human pilot in a jet? Cube square law... just saying... Where do they breed, where are the giant insect larvae?

Are you suggesting that UFOs are giant glowing insects?

Unity+ asserted he thought all points of view were worth respecting, I asked him if all religious world views were equal in his eyes... The unicorn idea is not the original question he asked about, I went back and read the posts again. I think it was the genocide and keeping female children for their own pleasure he was questioning as demands of god. http://www.evilbible.com/Rape.htm

OK, I know this is anecdotal and you're not going to be able confirm it but here it is. A guy known to me, who was a aggressive atheist most if not all of his life, went fundamentalist Christian a couple years ago. He went from asserting religion was total bollocks to creationist practically over night. It was very difficult to visit him, his "need" to convert everyone he came in contact with was quite a bit more than annoying. A few weeks ago he was diagnosed with a fatal inoperable brain tumor. The doctors said the tumor was in a part of his brain that controlled his cognitive and or reasoning abilities, I haven't seen him in a long while but it seems he had finally driven all his friends away due to his proselytizing but now the docs say his trip from reason to delusion was almost certainly fired by his brain tumor. Just saying...

There is a technical term for SHC, it's on the tip of my tongue... Murder! yes that's it... http://www.csicop.org/sb/show/a_fiery_death_murder_or_spontaneous_combustion/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_human_combustion The case you cite with the baby is not as well supported as you insinuate... http://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/unexplained-phenomena/shc.htm

Well since chimps have indeed been seen in the wild doing those things I'd get a tarp before i sat in front of that fan...

I would like to know where you think morals come from before i confront your assertions in this post please... But remember that animals do lots of things humans do but only "deeper" and to say a chimp or a wolf only has instinctive behavior makes me wonder how you define instinctive behavior as well.

I suggest you are incorrect, in fact fusion is the source of the suns energy, such energy is not limitless, in fact the sun will eventually die when it begins to run out of hydrogen.

So your assertion is that thoughts are supernatural?

Seriously Tar, you or I can feel all manner of things, asserting them as real is the heart of the matter. As far as i have seen in my life there is no evidence for anything other than the natural world, being able to imagine something or feel something has no basis other than the synergy of reacting chemicals, there is no evidence for anything else, in fact IMHO there is no reason to search some other realm for an explanation of anything, "Nothing unreal exists" I guess our definitions of real differ somewhat... My definition is that anything real has a measurable effect on reality. Does that mean that belief cannot be real? Of course not, your belief is the result of reacting chemicals in your brain, it has no independent supernatural reality of it's own show me some empirical evidence of the metaphysical and we can talk...

Belief might inspire you to try harder but ultimately it boils down to what you can and cannot do. Belief will not allow you to do something impossible. No matter how hard you believe you are not going to be able fly unassisted, and certain tasks are impossible. As for the rest, Gees if you want to lend some credibility to your assertions about reincarnation and other supernatural claims you come up against the same wall that every assertion hits. Can you demonstrate your assertion to anyone else? Can you show me that reincarnation exists in anyway that is empirical and testable? Your "evidence" is no better than the evidence some people have for alien abduction, yes some people claim to have marks left by aliens or have implants that cannot be verified or experiences they cannot explain but when the rubber hits the road there is no road and no rubber only the assertions made in total lack of evidence. Once you head down the road of personal experiences that can only be felt by the person who experiences them you are wondering blind in a cave. I've read the holographic universe, many many years ago, I thought it was somewhat less than definitive not to mention less than well supported. Using it to support other things which are even less well supported is a lot like saying unicorns must be real because fairies ride them... I can't watch the youtube vids from this computer but if you look into this site we have threads about metaphysics and so far no one has been able to show any evidence of anything claimed by metaphysics other than it's total lack of empirical evidence... Oh and btw, the drugs angle was my attempt to show his research to be subjective not to demean his character ...

If you don't intend to touch the car you are not going to be able to move it at all. IMHO your only route is a junkyard magnet crane. According to this it needs to be around one Tesla... http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/KeithHermanstyne.shtml Other wise your best bet is about a dozen strong friends to lift it up and move it.

Crispy Bacon, can you show me any positive evidence for a fine tuner? Because as i said, it happened, doesn't matter if the chances of it happening are one in a quadrillion billion it happened we are here, outrageous odds are meaningless in that context. It's like telling the person with a winning lotto ticket they can't have won because the odds were so bad....