Moontanman

Actually that's pretty close to how i got that handle but I wasn't old then... you're forgiven... Now that sounds more than a bit like sour grapes to me greylorn, you made your case and no one agreed with you but to suggest that i am somehow responsible for your book being debunked is kinda cool... You really do a good insult greylorn, too bad you can't defend your position as well as you insult... I would like to again suggest you make your case, in another thread of course, my brains axioms will have nothing to do with the success of your argument on this forum...

Didymus, this is demonstrably not true, Venus has 100 times the atmosphere of the earth and Mars has 1/100 Earths atmosphere. (more or less for both) In fact titan has a denser atmosphere than the earth while jupiters moons have none... you are not making sense...

Probably the most important part of that is this quote... Common Decent at that level is iffy to say the least, gene sharing may forever hide the details of this period in life...

Blue rubber gloves, a face mask and lots of disinfectant should do the trick...

Could you provide a link to that tree?

Sometimes they act like a bunch of house cats but I have to admit every jack russel I've seen was more like an animated spring than a sleepy baby like that...

At low speeds like throwing snow balls or pebbles on the earth there wouldn't be much difference but at the speeds of orbiting materials what the object made of is not a factor, pebble or snow ball, the same mass equals the same impact energy at the same speeds.

I have basset hounds, I think they might come close to starving to death via too much sleep

No it doesn't float if it is ice 3 or higher. As far as i know It's not a cathrate.

You are making some unfounded assumptions based in pop science, first of all the "singularity" is a point where the mathematical description breaks down, I would not bet the farm we will not know more at some point but to say that is the end of our investigation would only happen if science worked like religion, no scientist worth his salt would say well we got to the end, "the big bang did it" so why are you so eager to say "goddidit" with no evidence what so ever???

So you use pop science to base your notions of science? How droll... No one, says nothing caused something, no one really knows is the correct answer but so far the evidence points to everything originating from an expansion 13.7 billion years ago... more or less.... the problem of where that expansion came from or what caused it is being looked at but to say a magical sky fairy did it in the face of total lack of evidence for this is less than honest... in fact I would say it is the desperate attempt by broken people to dishonestly defend the last gasp of the gap left for god to exist in undetected...

We don't know yet is not the same as goddidit... As for the rest if you think religion doesn't kill children I suggest you look a little deeper. No, all religions or religious denominations advocate no doctors or medicine but sadly a significant portion do and both adults and children die and yes this is the result of believing a bronze age mythology to be the truth about something called god... Yes the steps of evolution can be explained, if you do a little bit of searching here on this site you will find many such conversations. And yes biased on faith people do throw away fortunes, literally 600 billion a year to an imaginary friend in the sky who is all powerful but needs your money... And yes as a matter of fact abiogenesis does have a considerable amount of data, no where near as much as evolution but still it not a complete unknown as you try to insinuate... Yes, I guess we could give all that money to the church so they can spread the lies and deceit and build ever bigger mega churches so more people can give money to further the cause of religion... Gee just think how wonderful the world would be if science just didn't exist, no more money down that rat hole that only feeds clothes and heals everyone on earth, lets bring back that wonderful gift of god, small pox, yes and stop making new vaccines, who cares, god will save us all...

Oceans thousands of miles deep would have ice for the bottom, pressure at that depth would form abyssal plains of ice at even very hot depths.

Yes, it's close to how I feel, if it exists it should have an effect on reality, so far we have found lots of things that were labeled supernatural to be natural and we didn't know about that turn out to be real external to the perceived but so far saying it is supernatural hasn't contributed anything to our understanding of the universe.

Well um... unicorns have to be real, the bible says they are...

Shoemaker-levi 9 did get torn apart but it wasn't in orbit around Jupiter, the supposed moon of Saturn was in orbit, when it was torn apart the pieces were still in orbit but within the Roche limit. The impactor that struck the earth was not in orbit but it hit hard enough to throw a small portion of the impactor into orbit but outside Earth's Roche limit. The Earth probably did have rings for a short while but Shoemaker-Levi 9 didn't throw any debris into orbit because it was so small in relation to Jupiter... The Earth's impactor was too big to be torn completely apart by earth's gravity before it struck but I am sure it was distorted quite a bit upon impact... Nothing orbits the sun inside it's Roche limit... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roche_limit

Like I said a mistake implies getting bad info or an assumption based on less than accurate info but new info would correct that but I don't see that happening much in the theist world view among those who see or hear gods or goddesses manifest as part of their reality... If i say i have an invisible dragon chained in my basement that tells me how to live my life being mistaken just doesn't seem to cover it... In fact it goes further, around here having a basement is cause for a raised eye brow at least. I have told people here that I had a basement and been questioned thoroughly but if I said i talked to Jesus last night it is accepted with out question by most people here... Not broken?

You may have a point, it's difficult for me to say seeing or hearing an imaginary being, not just thinking you might have, is not delusional but simply mistaken, a mistake is something you correct when new info comes in, a delusion is something that defies all evidence to the contrary...

To be honest I'm not sure I can answer that question, I know my own beliefs took many years to gel and quite a bit of skeptical inquiry, I know in my younger days I waffled back and forth to some degree but ultimately I just couldn't drink the kool-aid. I know many theists who will not even look at the evidence preferring a cocoon of ignorance rather than the hardness of reality. The vast majority of people who think that way rarely stray far from their roots... although I do know of many who have spiraled down the hole of fundamentalism from a more moderate background and some like me that started out being taught fundamentalism but by a young age had begin to see the emperor had no clothes...

So if a majority of people have a personal relationship with Cthulhu they are not delusional but simply mistaken? Even though a total lack of empirical evidence exists for Cthulhu?

I am sorry Iggy, I have so many threads going I may have lost track... Yes it was Tar that posted those things not you Iggy, again sorry...

...it seemed reasonable that he only believed in things because he was taught that way. Unless of course he thinks he is capable of deciding things for himself as an adult, whereas the theists cannot. Actually I am quite sure he is correct, I see no evidence to support theism as anything but what we are taught unless of course "you" just happen to be born in the time and place of believing in god, the correct god, and in the correct way and I see no connection between what an adult does or does not decide is connected with babies being born theists... If you had been taught your whole life that Cthulhu was real you would no doubt believe it, believe it was the correct belief and tend to reject any other religion and it would be just as difficult to divest your self of the belief that Cthulhu was real as it is that Krishna is real or Jesus...

Ok Tar, now I understand where you are coming from and I largely agree but some of this bears thinking about. But your use of the word perfection puzzles me, I'm not sure I understand what perfection of the universe you are speaking of. The universe is far from perfect from many points of view, how is yours relevant?

To be fair, on Titan you would have to use a fluid that didn't freeze, just because water wouldn't work doesn't leave you with no options. At the temps of Titan there are other working fluids I am sure...

Maybe not a strawman but probably not relevant either, more likely if you can't see stealing as wrong then you lack empathy not knowledge... http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/08/130822085804.htm