Moontanman

yeah but where are you going to find a virgin around a bunch of pro football players?

Wildcat Willy and Cactus Jack McGee... A young man walks into a bar and sits on the stool, he calls the bartender over and says... "Give me a shot of your best whiskey, I'm a gun fighter, the fastest gun in the west! The Bartender sits a shot of whiskey in front of him and says... I've never heard of Wild Cat Willy, are you as good as Cactus Jack McGee? Wild Cat Willy laughs loudly and says... "Cactus Jack! Hell he is old, he is a has been I could out shoot him any day and twice on Sunday" The Bartender smiles and says... "See that gentleman sitting at the end of the bar drinking a beer? He is Cactus Jack and I think he heard what you just said" Wild Cat Willy gets a panicked look and immediately slides down the bar to where Cactus Jack is sitting and says... "Mr McGee, you are my hero, you inspired me to become a gun fighter I know everything you have ever done!" Cactus Jack looks at him a moment and says,"let me see your guns son" Willy pulls out his pearl handled revolvers to show Cactus Jack and Cactus jack says... "Good looking guns there boy, but can you hit anything with them?" "You bet" says Willy and he draws his right hand gun and proceeds to shoot the right hand cuff link off the piano player in one shot.... Cactus jack says, "Impressive son but can you shoot with your left hand?? "Of course" says Willy and he pulls his left pistol and shoots the other cuff link off the piano player... "Very Impressive" says Jack... Willy asks, "Mr McGee, being the great gun fighter you are can you give me any advice that would be helpful?" "Sure" replies Cactus Jack, "The first thing you need to do is go back to the Kitchen and ask the chief for a hand full of lard..." Lard? asks willy, "how can lard help me?" "Well" says Jack, "you want to take that lard and cover your guns with it, make sure you cover them real good with that lard..." Willy looks puzzled, "Mr McGee, that will make my guns so slippery I wouldn't be able to hold onto them, in a gun fight I might drop them and not be able to defend myself!" "Yes" replies Jack, "but when Wyatt Earp gets finished playing the piano you are gonna want them guns to be well lubricated...."

Could it have been a room to hang smoked meat?

So the one smelled the best roasting would please god and that team would win?

I'm not sure what you are asserting here... I assert this resemblance makes it possible there were intelligent dinosaurs... For me Mormyrids, specifically elephant nose fishes, are more than just a google link, I've kept them for many years, they do display behaviors that suggest some inkling they are a bit more intelligent than other fish. They communicate with each other through electrical impulses, defend themselves with electrical impulses that are closely directed unlike electric eels that just shock everything in range, they live in black water that doesn't allow light so they navigate with electrical fields (most species are pretty much blind), they school in large groups. All they lack is size and hands... but the real point is that their brains are completely different than mammal brains, I think it's a mistake to compare any other animals brain with mammal brains and draw conclusions from that comparison... I have to agree with this, I am not asserting that dinosaurs were technological beings i am saying we simply can't say one way or another... unless we actually find such evidence we will forever be unable to say one way or another... It's not evidence, but i think we should be more open to the possibility, as it is now if dinosaurs bones are found with something akin to arrow heads that would be evidence. I think this is at the heart of this discussion, what would we expect to see and would we recognize it if we did see it or would our human chauvinism kick in and make us assume it was some sort of hoax or a natural occurrence that just looked like stone tools. In archaeology (oh how I wish we had areal archaeologist here) any thing resembling a stone tool is examined very closely if it is found in strata contemporary with hominids would we do the same in strata too ancient to be contemporary with hominids?

If they adhere to biblical precedence they would have burn their best player before the game... I'm betting that even their multi million dollar contracts wouldn't be enough for that...

You are operating on misinformation.... no one hunts endangered species, it's illegal, I do not live in fear, and guns are an ingrained part of our culture. The lethality of guns held by private owners has not increased in lethality in a hundred years and taking guns away from everyone would mean a house to house search which is a violation of our rights as citizens. I to keep dogs but not dogs that would harm anyone. in fact I would never keep a dog who would hurt some one, it would be like having a gun with it's own mind that i cannot control. I do not fear anyone carrying a gun, you are operating on propaganda nothing more...

Some place in the bible it specifically says that the smell of burning flesh is pleasing to the Lord...

Mormyrid fishes have a higher EQ than mammals or even humans the system loses it's significance when used on non mammals. That is not an apt comparison...the biomass of algae is billions of times more than all the clothing ever made much less stone age clothing... What animals are you talking about?

No it doesn't, crows have brains smaller than opossums and they use tools and language and transmit culture to their young. I'm not sure what you are getting at here. No i am saying they left no direct descendants, birds are not the direct descendants of troodons, in fact birds existed well before troodonts. Again, what are you saying? After 65,000,000 years there would be clothing left behind from stone age humans? What man made living domain are you talking about?

I agree. I don't see how you can assert that... They left no descendants and a few million years is the time it took for humans to go from slightly more capable apes to to landing on the moon, the fossil record is not that precise...

Yes but the brains of birds do not follow the same EQ as the brains of mammals so it is not a fair comparison... Not to mention the incompleteness of the fossil record...

The only real evidence we see in the fossil record is the same evidence we are currently leaving... Mass extinction, the current human caused mass extinction is comparable to the one at the K/T boundary.. there is some reason to date the chicxulub crater as well before the K/T boundary BTW... No it suggests that dinosaurs could have been more capable than we give them credit for, if humans had never made it past the stone age, considering how rare human fossils are, I doubt it's a forgone conclusion we would see fossils of obviously advanced dinosaurs. In fact troodonts seemed to be quite close. http://dinosaurs.about.com/od/typesofdinosaurs/tp/smartestdinos.htm

Humans are pack animals, wolves are not bipedal and do not have hands your analogy doesn't hold up yes but you implied they could not have discovered that stones could be made sharp EQ is the term not IQ Encephalization Quotient, not Intelligence Quotient and the question remains would we see it if we did discover it or would it be dismissed out of hand as most OMPA's generally are especially when they are found in strata as old as dinosaurs... Fossilization is rare, no doubt that most animals are completely missing from the fossil record...

Admittedly such speculation is far fetched but there were bipedal dinosaurs with hand like appendages and the brains of birds who are dinosaurs suggest that dinosaur brains need not be as big as mammal brains or human brains and the EQ that is applied to mammals is not applicable. Some Dinosaurs are thought to have been pack animals which implies communication skills. Humans accomplished quite a bit before we discovered metals and the ability to smelt them and we did it with out coal or oil. Stone tools should not be discounted, obsidian can be used to make ultra sharp tools, far sharper than metal tools and in fact obsidian is still used to today to operate on humans. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsidian Since absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence the question remains what would we see in the fossil record and would we recognize it if we did see it? Are Ompa's being found and automatically discounted? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-place_artifact

yes but we are almost certainly missing millions of them, I think it's reasonable to assume that space age technology is off the table,

This is not true, fossilization is quite rare, we see only a small fraction of what was in fossils...

Why is the stuff he made up any more important than the stuff made up by anyone else?

Actually dolphins have been observed using tools as well but the question is not what dinosaurs could have accomplished in 65 million years. The subject is could we see evidence of dinosaurian technology in the fossil record, would we recognize it as such? .

All this really means is we really don't know, our mathematical concepts break down before T=0. Anything else is simply speculation...

I think the video says they have solved the instability problems but the radiation would be a bit of a bummer. This drive would be good for sub light travel, it would pretty much open up the solar system and put the nearest stars within relatively reasonable time frames...

I think it interesting that the amount of energy necessary has gone from the mass of Jupiter to the energy out put of the US in one year... of course it is still exotic energy...

We are talking about technology, neither apes or dolphins build anything, apes do use tools but they consists of sticks...

Your views on this are fascinating from the stand point of differing cultural views, you are obviously quite a bit better off than me and have more choices in how you live bit most importantly is your culture. I love to watch English television shows, Prime Evil is one of my favorites, even if it had been set in the US and none of the actors had an english accent it would be obvious it wasn't an American show. My point about the blow to the head predisposed no alarm system after you asserted you had an alarm and could escape out a side door if necessary I have never been in a house that the bedroom had a separate exit from the rest of the house. You state it like it is a common state of affairs. if you lived in my house and armed intruders came in, even with the alarms you would be toast while I could hold them at gun point until the police arrived or if they tried to harm me anyway i could blow them into the next room... My cultural values say this is an acceptable outcome while yours evidently do not... interesting...

The energy come from fission, not combustion... Oppps swansonT cross post...