Moontanman

You are as slippery as an eel swimming in vaseline dude, you failed to address my question completely! How can you say this are not truly religious people but you provide no evidence of how you can say it. It's the No true Scotsman fallacy, How can you say anyone is not truly religious? How do you know other than by judging them by the standard of your own fairy tail? Then you say this Can you support that with anything other than assertions by religion? Then you go on to say Never once have I suggested you said this, you are setting up a strawman instead of answering my original question about your original unsupportable assertion... Now one more time, how can you assert this?

Agreed, that is why I generally claim to be a Empirical Rationalist, it kinda thins the herd a bit... not to mention allows you to shift positions in case a leprechaun pops out of the wood work at some point... Just saying dude... Now that I look at it closer that is more of a Cow triceratops....

You just said it again, please tell me how you know that to be true other than you disagree with them...

Yes but you said that people who believe the end of the world stuff are not truly religious people, how can you justify that statement?

I would really like to see how you can justify making that assertion... Now I remember, no true scotsman...

Netherlands vs the USA in teen pregnancy and abortion rates...

I agree, a few truly miraculous events would turn many a head... I like Star Trek and Ring World or a fusion of the two...

His still was copper... grew his own rye too... organic blindness...

Yes, i agree, if things were different they would be... different... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weakless_Universe

Not to split a hair too thin but that would still be technology... This would appear to be significant to this discussion as well... http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2009/07/is-there-undiscovered-weird-life-on-earth-worldleading-expert-says-it-could-be-biggest-discovery-sin.html

Again as has been said, your incredulity has no bearing on reality, please back up these assertions...

I don't see any reason why our kind of DNA life cannot always be the end result of abiogenesis but I see no reason why it should either. if life in the universe was very similar on a macro basis (pretty much a copy of the earths biota) everywhere and complex life was was very common I might let my mind wonder toward some sort of organizational force in the universe but for now both life and complex life appear to be quite rare but complex organics have been seen detected welling up in geysers on a moon of Saturn. http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/jul/29/alien-life-enceladus-saturn-moon Enceladus is fascinating... chemistry at work... I don't think I'd take the bet of life being rare or not very similar but I still see chemistry not anything mechanical or intelligent... In fact I think it could be argued that life may have orginated on moons like enceladus and migrated to earth in ice chunks to take advantage of an organic stew on the young earth... Just my humble opinion there by the way....

this is rigney's game, his rules and his ball, if we keep playing we will always lose, heads he wins tails we lose...

many plants and animals have more DNA than a human, this has little or nothing to do with the comparable complexity of an organism. Viruses are chemical machines, each part has a function, not all virus particles have that machine look and the look in that illustration is a bit idealized for sure... you keep making these assertions. can you back them up with anything other than your inability believe or to understand them?

I'm gonna give you links to a couple of videos that cover this quite well. I'm not sure if that will do it for you if not I suggest a few other sites as well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis That should give you a starting point for your own investigation but these videos do a pretty good job of explaining the possible processes in a reasonably easy to understand fashion...

Well as soon as you find a structure that could not have been evolved naturally please feel free to point it out.... The analogy you make between man made and natural is false. man made things do not evolve into existence, they cannot reproduce, how ever life has evolved from simpler organisms and quite a bit of work points to a natural origin for life in general as well. The universe may have indeed had a first cause but if so I see no reason to propose that cause is a sentient being. Universes may be as natural as atomic decay...

Christian fundamentalists use this ploy to scare people into coming to god, I have heard the end is near all my life, I don't mean years from now but it was always signs and portents show the end i coming soon and we all must be ready, it could happen tonight!!! A group associated with a church I went to when I was a kid pulled off the old disappearing hitch hiker scam, it went on for several weeks, people would report they picked up a hitch hiker on the WV turnpike and the hitch hiker would ride in silence for a few minutes then suddenly shout Jesus is coming soon and disappear from the back seat of the moving car. It was exposed as a hoax after a couple of people admitted they had been put up to it by a revivalist preacher looking to fill his tents with paying customers... .

I'd like to ad my vote to the whole distilling alcohol at home thing. It will usually take you years to gain the skills necessary to make drinkable whiskey, some people never get there, but making it from beer seems to be a odd place to start. A good rye mash or corn mash would be my starting point for whiskey, some red oak casks, several years of time and you might have something worth drinking, of course white lightning will get the job done too, sometimes you run across someone who really knows his stuff and can distill some pretty good alcohol, used to be a guy in a neighboring county i worked with who ran a still in his barn, he ran off a few gallons of rye two or three times a year, it was pretty good, smooth but it had a kick like a mule... I actually shared a few glasses, sitting next to his still, one day with him and the local sheriff... ah the simple life in rural America...

Too difficult? Need another clue? I still have the video of this song on Laser Disc....

I've seen a similar piece of material hanging off other reptiles just after they hatched, i used to raise turtles and snakes, both lay eggs and have what appears to be placenta like material hanging off newly hatched individuals...

Why does the prime creator have to be a sentient being? You are also making the assumption that somethings will forever be inexplicable and therefore need a creator, if we had gone with that assumption we would still be dodging lightning strikes and assuming that god was angry with tall buildings and trees... Not assuming a god did it allowed us to find out not only what causes lightning but how to defend against it. We can prevent lightning from doing damage to buildings now with lightning rods, at first some theists claimed it was wrong to thwart the "righteous anger of god" and that using a lightning rod was a sin, then of course it became a bit embarrassing when they realized that churches were being hit by lightning more often than anything else and buildings equipped with lightning rods were being spared.

I would rigney but i have to go out again and catch an invisible unicorn to feed the damn invisible dragon I keep chained in my basement, damn thing is eating me out of house and home...

probably the remains of the yolk sac, not a placenta, the placenta is the connection between the mother and the baby, since alligators lay eggs it could not have been a placenta. many non mammals have placenta like organs, some fish and sharks come to mind...

Make fun? How is not believing in a fairy tale making fun of those who do?

The Clash, Rock the Casbah, Joe Strummer... This band was an american progressive rock band, the album was known for large deceptions, the hit single from this album was instrumental in the album going platinum, the song was about a close encounter of the third kind... The song was controversial in some circles due to satanic connections...