Moontanman

What does rotational speed have to do with it? The planet is too close to it's star to support life as we know it...

I'm gonna have to ask why would you expect craters to be the same?

I think that's called sarcasm... Another take on this has to do with the nearest star having an earth sized planet. Until recently it was assumed that double stars like the Alpha Centauri system do not have planets but now we know that not only do multiple star systems have planets there is an Earth sized one just 4.5 light years away. Is this statistically significant?

Belief does not equal knowledge rigney... you know that...

Thanks, i had to look that one up...

I almost wish the republicans would win this thing, a continuation of republican policies would result in the total destruction any credibility the republicans have, sadly it would also hurt our country in the extreme as well...

I suggest you watch this video the relevant part to your assertion is at 15:50 to around 17:00 but to really understand how badly the Bible got this stuff wrong I suggest you watch the 4 part series, a half an hour of your life listening to reality, are you brave enough to do it or is your ignorance more comforting than reality? For what ever it is worth the bible clearly states the Earth is a flat disc covered by a crystal dome on which the moon and the sun travel across every day, this dome is covered by the waters above and below.

Your insinuation that this Dawkins forum has been shut down due to lack of interest is a violation of the 9th commandment, liar liar pants on fire.... This is true (pop culture really) but you did not explain why you thought something bad would happen due to his influence.

They have confirmed it s far to hot for life as we know it...

Please quote the parts of your links that are relevant to this discussion, I can't find anything there that supports your assertions....

mississippichem, do you know of anyone working with Boron bucky balls?

Actually sunset is not what I was thinking of, The sun at noon is the question, I know that sunset would be redder, that would be true with any air pressure. It's interesting that you could see the back of your head. i know that on venus you would see your self at the bottom of a bowl due to refraction but venus has 90 bar atmosphere, i wasn't aware that 10 bar would do the same thing. I want to get the apparent conditions correct from the point of view of some one on the surface of this hypothetical planet. Originally i was thinking of a large moon around a massive gas giant. Avatar screwed the pooch on that idea but i am starting over with new parameters. My idea was a moon in the same situation as Jupiter's Io with a huge energy input from interactions with the gas giants immense magnetic fields and radiation belts. The Moon is 25,000 kilometers in diameter 4 earth masses and density of 2924 kg squared surface gravity of 10.21 ms This should result in an extensive atmosphere in the way Titan has an extensive atmosphere. I am stymied by the heat retention of that atmosphere I see no way to calculate what the greenhouse effect would be. Here are some of the parameters. Feature Sol Sol Ratio Comment Type G2 G2 Mass (M0) 1.00 1.00 1.00 Solar mass M0 = 1.99E+30 kg Distance from Earth (ly) 0.00 0.00 1.00E+00 Light year = 9.47E+15 m Age on Main Sequence (Gyr) 10.00 10.00 1.00 Age (Gyr) 4.60 4.60 1.00 Radius (R0) 1.00 1.00 1.00 Solar radius R0 = 6.96E+08 m Surface gravity (m/s²) 274.2 274.2 1.00 Escape Velocity (km/s) 618 618 1.00 Luminosity (L0) 1.00 1.00 1.00 Absolute magnitude Mv 4.7 4.7 Apparent magnitude mv -26.9 -26.9 Surface temperature (K) 5796 5796 1.00 Peak wavelength (micron) 0.50 0.50 1.00 Ecosphere inner radius (AU) 0.99 0.99 1.00 Ecosphere outer radius (AU) 1.38 1.38 1.00 Star formation Luminosity (L0) 0.71 0.71 1.00 Solar luminosity L0=3.90E+26 W Radius (R0) 0.92 0.92 1.00 Solar radius R0=6.96E+08 m Absolute magnitude 5.1 5.1 Apparent magnitude -26.6 -26.6 Temperature (K) 5539 5539 1.00 Peak wavelength (micron) 0.52 0.52 1.00 Ecosphere inner radius (AU) 0.84 0.84 1.00 Ecosphere outer radius (AU) 1.16 1.16 1.00 Terran [unnamed] Feature Earth The_Moon Earth The_Moon Earth/ Earth The_Moon/ The_Moon Comment Formation Rotation period (hr) 21.96 0.00 36.00 646.82 1.64 inf -ve is retrograde Temperature range of orbit (°C) -38.6 to -43.2 -13.9 to -19.0 -137.7 to -140.4 -123.4 to -126.4 General Type Terrestrial Terrestrial Terrestrial Terrestrial Mean orbital distance (106 km) 149.60 0.38 448.80 0.38 3.00 1.00 Astronomical Unit=1.50E+08 km Eccentricity 0.020 0.060 0.020 0.060 1.00 1.00 Axial tilt (°) 23.4 0.0 23.4 0.0 1.00 -nan Year (Earth days) 365.2 27.3 1897.8 13.6 5.20 0.50 Star system escape velocity (km/s) 42.12 42.12 24.32 24.32 0.58 0.58 From planetary orbit Angular diameter of star (°) 0.53 0.53 0.18 0.18 0.33 0.33 Angular diameter of moon (°) 0.52 1.91 0.52 1.91 1.00 1.96 Solar day (hr) 24.00 11110.29 36.03 618.51 1.50 0.06 Radius (km) 6370 1743 12500 1743 1.96 1.00 1/Ellipticity 294.1 300.0 294.1 300.0 1.00 1.00 Lithosphere Mass (Earth Masses) 1.00 0.01 0.01 0.01 4.00 1.00 Earth Mass=5.98E+24 kg Maximum Mass (Earth Masses) 3211.7 -nan 3600.5 -nan 1.12 -nan Density (kg/m³) 5523 2696 2924 2696 0.53 1.00 Albedo 0.33 0.00 0.33 0.00 1.00 -nan Inertia Factor 0.34 -nan 0.38 -nan 1.14 -nan Typical surface gravity (m/s²) 9.83 1.31 10.21 1.31 1.04 1.00 Equatorial surface gravity (m/s²) 9.81 1.32 10.20 1.32 1.04 1.00 Polar surface gravity (m/s²) 9.86 1.31 10.24 1.31 1.04 1.00 Escape velocity (km/s) 11.19 2.14 15.98 2.14 1.43 1.00 Rotation period (hr) 23.9 696.0 36.0 696.0 1.50 1.00 -ve is retrograde Shortest possible period (hr) 2.63 3.77 3.62 3.77 1.37 0.70 Any faster and planet breaks up Geosynchronous orbit (km) 35724 84021 75224 84021 2.11 1.00 above the surface Plate tectonics end (Gyr) 5.10 0.19 13.65 0.19 2.68 1.00 After this carbon is buried in the oceans (terrestrial planets only). Maximum mountain height (m) 16570 124062 15952 124062 0.96 1.00 Mountains in practice smaller, terrestrial planets only Horizon distance (m) 3091 1617 4330 1617 1.40 1.00 at eye level, 1.5 m Atmosphere and Ocean Atmospheric pressure (mbar) 1013 0 10130 0 10.00 -nan Minimum RMM for atmosphere (g) 2.54 69.37 1.24 69.37 0.49 1.00 Gasses lighter than this escape over geological time (Hydrogen = 1) Atmospheric RMM (g) 33.84 0.00 33.79 0.00 1.00 -nan Specific heat capacity (cp) (J mol-1 K-1) 27.6 0.0 27.4 0.0 1.0 -nan Speed of sound at surface (m/s) 318.8 0.0 253.6 0.0 0.80 -nan Temperature range of orbit (°C) -17.7 to 3.6 -125.7 to -113.4 -125.7 to -22.8 -110.1 to 3.6 Without greenhouse effect Greenhouse effect (°C) 36.00 0.00 36.00 0.00 1.00 -nan Typical surface temperature (°C) 15.8 6.4 -91.1 -111.8 With greenhouse effect Scale height (m) 7222 0 4386 0 0.61 -nan Dry adiabatic lapse rate (°C/km) 12.07 0.00 12.60 0.00 1.04 -nan f (Coriolis effect) at 45°N * 1E4 1.03 0.04 0.69 0.04 0.66 1.00 Mid-ocean tide height (m) 0.46 16.52 1.11 65.73 2.43 3.98 Commentary Terran system: For Earth: Hydrogen will escape from proposed atmosphere For The_Moon: Plate tectonics may have ceased. Proposed rotation period too short, as it would have been spinning too fast when formed The_Moon will give total eclipse of Sol on Earth Earth will give total eclipse of Sol on The_Moon [unnamed] system: For Earth: Hydrogen will escape from proposed atmosphere Gas fractions in body's atmosphere don't add up, must be nearer 100 % For The_Moon: Plate tectonics may have ceased. That was difficult to make sense of but I don't know how to link to the finished calculation. That was difficult to make sense of but I don't know how to link to the finished calculation.

Newspapers are dying, the internet is the most used and up to date source of News both science and otherwise. The internet has advantages and disadvantages. While the information is easily accessible it is also subject to spin or to be more precise outright lies. Any information you seek should be looked at from several sources and the agenda of those sources has to be taken into account. My rule of thumb is that religious sources have to be cross checked with secular sources and when the source agrees with my own predilections it has to be checked again to make sure I am not being told what i want to believe.

Of course it will but non the less it would be fun to listen to...

Thanks swansonT, I looks like my hypothetical atmosphere would cause the sun, even at it's zenith to be redder or orangish but the sky would still be blue.

I would like some clarification on this... Can you give us a link to those defunct forums?

I heard his spin rate was recently estimated at 25,000 rpm's

Hey rigney, when Mitt loses will you record your crying, wailing and gnashing of teeth for us so we can enjoy listening to it?

The so called historical basis is meaningless. I could write a novel about alien invasion set in New York City, use the names of real persons, places, and events but just because it is historically accurate would have no bearing on the aliens being real... afungusamongus... Why would you think we have not educated ourselves about Christianity? Is it because we disagree with you? How arrogant of you...

You crack me up rigney, you need your own political humor blog... Colin Powell was acting on false intelligence given to him by dishonest people who were looking for a reason to invade Iraq. He later quit over this falsehood.

I think you might see either one depending on the strength of the magnet and the weight of the magnetic material.

If I am reading this correctly I would expect in a 10 bar atmosphere the sky would still be blue but the disc of the sun would appear redder than the one we see on earth at zenith and the sun would appear more and more red as it left zenith and approached the horizon. Am i reading that correctly? I would expect a denser atmosphere to contain a heavier load of particulates therefore it would make sense the sun would appear redder but the sky should still be blue or possibly blue/white. Someplace i read that the composition of the atmosphere is also important, an atmosphere containing high levels of methane would appear green instead of blue. I can't remember where I read that...

They have no more support than the bible does, they are equally suspect. The bible has been edited added to and translated differently many times. I'd say it is irrelevant if it retained it's original meaning or not. That maybe true but it is also true the bible had been edited and added to. Editing the translations does. New testament scholars have added to, removed from, and changed the text to suit the purposes of the people who translated it. I do not see the scientific community caring one way or another as long as religion stays out of science.

The bible makes extraordinary claims, asserts impossible things, and could not be used in a court of law as evidence, comparing it to yet another ancient manuscript that is also doubtful is meaningless.