Moontanman

BS, you give us walls of text with nothing but stuff that has been refuted so many times if I had a quarter for every time they've been debunked I'd be a moderately wealthy man but you seem to think that we have to refute each one every time you post them. It's like you think you will win this debate by overwhelming us with details. I've got some news for you, there is no win or loose here, only evidence and so far you actually have none, nada , zip... Only your faith and disbelief, your inability to understand doesn't negate reality. If you want to play fair I will too, but stop with the walls of text listing everything you think refutes reality and expect us to refute them all at once. Start a thread if you can't find one to suit you and give us your evidence, one thing at a time and allow us to either refute that one thing or admit to not knowing. One thing at a time but if you expect me to continue to go back over the same material over and over the long lists have to stop and once something has been refuted it stays refuted until you come up with new evidence for it. Simply repeating it over and over is nonsensical and smacks of insanity... Stop using your lame website as evidence it is nothing but evidence of your own ignorance in this matter... You are using a tactic of dishonesty creationist types are well known for, I suggest yet again you check out the 9th commandment, the one about being honest, you might want to check out the golden rule as well, not that it has anything to do with a god... BTW, one more time, I see no evidence of god, therefor the default position is there are no gods, this is not an emotional issue, it has nothing to do with hating god or rejecting god it has to do with a complete lack of actual empirical evidence, none what so ever, if you want to believe then believe but be honest about it, it's your belief, it's not a verifiable description of reality, it's just not... I do not hate god or the idea of a god, it would be great if there really was such a being who really really cared about me personally and if I die all my relatives who have already passed waiting for me, maybe like the Mormons I'll get my own planet but so far i see no reason what so ever to expect anything when i die but nothing... For me time is neatly separated into three sections before i existed, while i exist, and after I exist, if you want to convince me show me something that validates your claims other than it's what i want things to be... by the way you've been pwned in this thread so many times it's really kinda sad... morality does not depend on religion, the idea that it does when compared to religion and what religion represents and what the people who assert it do to support their god is immoral. the idea that you or i cannot be moral with out an immoral monster to tell us what to do is disgusting...

The pictures are just awesome, as clear as if i was there, you expect to see a beetle rush past on some errand or a tuft of grass in the background... awesome pictures it looks like a place! I've been to places that didn't look any different, I am just blown away and the really good pictures haven't even been taken yet!

For me it breaks life down into two eras, BC and AC, Before Children and After Children...

No... one is not warranted to to conclude anything of the sort, but lets go with this, if someone comes up with a better theory than the big bang, lets say just for the sake of shits and giggles that this theory is better supported than the big bang and it asserts that the universe is eternal, has no beginning or end, just change from one state to another will you abandon your faith in a creator god? Are you honest enough to admit it when your assertions about god are disproved? Will you become an atheist if this happens? or will you continue to look for even smaller places to put your foot? Oh I mean god... BTW your web site and your shameless promotion of your own website as evidence which gives no answers that have not been refuted many many times is dishonest, doesn't your creator have something to say about that? something about a 9th commandment?

Anus from Uranus is a friend of mine.... nothing like science fiction R&R

When i was young i thought the meaning of existence was to party and have a good time, then i had kids.... let the good times roll...

I am so stoked about the Curiosity Rover! Real knowledge is much more impressive than pretend...

http://bigthink.com/ideafeed/new-software-helps-employers-read-your-emotional-state?

Edgar Cayce led the devotions from the grave last night...

I noticed you didn't show up last night for services at the twice reformed non denominational church of no leprechauns last night, you missed a lively debate and they opened a new barrel of meade...

Oh I know what weak atheism is, I was just doing him the favor of answering his question with a question like he did...

What is weak theism? And you have been shown this not to be true... Again I have shown all of this, I refuse to keep beating a dead horse... Animals have no decision power? You cannot be seriously asserting that? All social animals have behaviors that promote the species and the individual to a greater or lesser degree, these would be the equivalent of morals, wolves, lions, chimps all have behaviors that can be called moral in their context. It doesn't match what we call morals exactly but they do take care of each other, they do not eat each other or kill each other for no reason. Still to suggest animals have no decision power is outrageous, have you never had a dog? Not at all, in some ecological niches non social animals do quite well, this idea cannot be used to say that all animals have to be social to survive... I think i just did... social behavior requires behaviors that allow members of the group to live together, those that fall outside the behaviors that promote the group do not do as well and tend not to reproduce over time... So again with the assertion that I have just not studied the bible even though I have told you i have... And I am asking for evidence there is more than the universe... No, creation as you call it, is evidence of nothing but the existence of the universe, nothing else can be implied from that... This is evidence of nothing but your ideas about god... No there is not, this is a blatant lie.... Your incredulity is not an argument, just because you can't understand something... False dichotomy, your choices are not the only ones and do not preclude a natural cause we are as yet unaware of... You claim god derives from nothing if not where did he come from, saying he is eternal is no better than saying the universe is eternal... why add a layer of complexity that adds more questions? How do you know that? Why can't the universe just be eternal? You could do that but it stops all inquiry into the problem, if we assume god did it then why bother to investigate? If we had said that about disease we would still be trying to heal with prayer and people would still be dying of easily cured aliments... So god is not all powerful? the being you claim made the universe by simply speaking it into existence is not all powerful?

So you use a blatantly biased site (christian fundamentalist) to support your assertions about atheism?

I see pymander, thank you for clearing that up....

I have an interest in paddlefish to start with, they are a hold over from a time when the dominant animals were literally quite different from what we see today. I have it on pretty good authority that paddlefish breeding has been part of an effort to bred a paddlefish that lacks the paddle feature. Since captive paddlefish being raised for eggs or meat do not need the paddle breeding a paddle less paddlefish could allow for better growth since it would mean more paddlefish and less paddle, the paddle does take up a lot of energy to grow and makes it more difficult to keep the paddlefish in enclosed areas. It was found that the paddle is highly conserved and efforts to eliminate have been unsuccessful... I'm not sure but my money is on the HOX genes being responsible for the paddle in some way and removing the paddle would result in removing genes that are important for other reasons. Paddlefish are very interesting fishes, an ancient linage, that predates dinosaurs, quite possibly even bony fishes, the now considered extinct Chinese paddlefish is, or was, a predator, very much shark like in many ways and yet totally unlike the shark in many others, To me it's a glimpse into what fishes were like before bony fishes evolved or at least became dominant...

This immovable Earth...

I have to ask, is NCO2 really a molecule? just writing chemical symbols beside each other does not a molecule make, if even a tiny amount of the chemistry i was taught has been retained by my brain...

I know this is supposed to only be about censorship but I would honestly like to see some support for this idea, bolded by me... I don't know what to make of it in the context of what i know... if a new thread needs to be made then it needs to be made but this idea of pymander being somehow authoritative on the stuff he claims in this one paragraph is in outrageous need of support... not the least of which is the sentence I put in bold type...

that is not an accurate description... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TrES-4b

I just did, naturalism works, the supernatural does not... Again you have no understanding of my position and only see my position as defined by you... strawman at best... Again, i suggest you actually think about what you are saying, first of all atheism is simply lack of belief in a god or gods... nothing more... you are asserting that morals can only come from god, i have shown you this is false, I have to admit it doesn't mean morality wasn't handed down by gods only that morality is possible with out gods. But I can go further and show that morals are an intricate part of any and all social species as applies to their particular needs. People who do not socialize well tend not to successfully reproduce over time, our basic moral structure is rooted in our biology. Now you go further and say that morals can only be derived from god, in your case a particular god, but if we examine the behavior of your god and the behaviors he demands from his followers it is easy to show your god is not moral in the human sense at the very least. But there is a greater problem here, you keep asking for evidence that there is no god which is simply silly. To be 100% sure there are no gods would require a being with at least god like powers to make such an assertion. It is how ever easy to show, as has been shown many times here, that there is no evidence for the existence of god. your ideas about god keep getting shoved into smaller and smaller places, now he would seem to hide some place in the big bang which in of it's self may very well not be an entirely accurate description of reality. None the less even if the big bang turns out to be correct and the universe cannot be explained by natural causes we can be aware of that does not mean that a god did it much less that your god did it... your idea that something must come from nothing if the big bang is true is a strawman as well. Only you are asserting that something comes from nothing, a god that comes from nothing and makes everything from nothing... Again I see a basic misunderstanding here, just because science cannot say what came before the big bang and in most ways this is a nonsensical question, it does not imply something from nothing, it means we simply do not know... We do not know does not mean god did it after all, there is still no evidence what so ever for a god or your god, yes it would be extremely easy to god to show his existence, he has in the past... supposedly... stop the sun in the sky, swap the orbits of planets, if god is all powerful then he can do these things, his so called holy book says he has done them in the past, has he gotten shy in his old age? Come off it dude, believe if you want but to assert your beliefs as the truth is simply dishonest...

If you must tax me, and I understand that taxes are necessary, tax my income, do not tax my property over and over and then when i am in the fall of my life and my income goes down take my property away from me. I see this happening all over the place where I live, property taxes go up arbitrarily as property values go up as more affluent people move in and pay bigger prices for similar property but they do not take into account the income of the people involved. i think this makes the idea of owning property of any kind much less something like a house a joke... you don't own it you rent it from the local government...

I love the "grapplingwithignorance" guy, great video...