Moontanman

i have attempted to before, not a popular subject...

Seriously rigney, you would vote for some one regardless of their political views? here ya go

yes this has been suggested before, as far as i know it is not a well supported interpretation of the parallel universe idea.

First off since we do not have the same definition of left and right wing this is not a constructive way to debate this idea. I agree with that, sadly our "right wing" nutters do not seem to understand this... And my point is that traitors are more likely to be defined by the conservatives, anyone who disagrees with them risks being labeled a traitor. They care not for the dictionary definition... See above Again we are dealing with fundamentally different ideas here. In the US being in the employ of a foreign power has nothing to do with being labeled a traitor... all you have to do is disagree with some part of their ideology and you are a traitor, they tend to make up their own definitions as they go along and generally fail to make that distinction... Being secrete in no way determines that you are a traitor or selling out the country, sometimes it just means you have to hide from conservative bastards that want to stop you from undermining their efforts to sell the country out on a huge economic level. making obscene amounts of money selling the country out economically is celebrated making you a tremendous success as a businessman. Trying to secure universal heath care makes you a communist traitor... Everyone has the freedom to push an agenda, the constitution of the US protects us from people pushing the agenda too far... We are indeed operating on different sides of the world JohnB

We can indeed explain how speciation occurs, this is a strawman... This part is true, we do indeed make new breeds of animals via artificial selection. This is a bit misleading, if you had an isolated population of chihuahuas and Great Danes they could not reproduce and would satisfy the requirements of being separate species. many species can reproduce with other but do not do so due to environmental factors such as isolation. Dogs in my opinion are more like ring species, we have simply breed so many grades of dogs that they all seem to be able to reproduce but as you suggested some are not compatible with others but in effect they all are compatible with at least some of the different breeds. Different species can be the result of geographic isolation as well as simply being physically impossible for the two species to mate, it does not necessarily mean they cannot be cross fertile. We can and do mate different species in captivity and in rare cases they can be fertile and cross fertile with the parent species. It would be easy to simply declare Great Danes and Chihuahua different species due to the fact that reproduction is not naturally possible between the species, because we know they were recently the same species and is a result of artificial selection instead of natural selection the idea of simply declaring them different species is not well thought of. There is also the problem of the dog genome being so plastic that left to natural forces most dogs will over time revert to a less "artificially selected" form, if say for instance Chihuahuas were left on some island isolated with no humans to select their form they would not be Chihuahuas after many generations... no artificially selected dog breed would breed true in the wild removed from the pressure of selection by humans... since the selection pressure is artificial and not natural by definition the idea of species is blurred in these and other domestic animals... I think it is safe to say that few people would mistake a domestic cow for an auroch or a mouflon for a domestic sheep. Again, that is a strawman argument since indeed we do know how speciation occurs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciation

How could this philosophical dribble possibly confirm the veracity of the new testament?

i agree, the rules to seem to be skewed in the direction of us males for sure. I think a pretty good argument could be made that the old testament is the story of an alien overlord breeding a certain group of humans for some purpose.. but I am a little weird in that direction...

Zombie thread... get the shotgun...

If you seriously do not understand that native peoples of the Americas were not all or even mostly hunter gatherers and actually lived in cities and had a thriving civilization, actual stone cities, although in North america the settled peoples used wood instead of stone, I seriously do not think I am qualified to teach such a complex subject. But small pox pretty much eliminated the great North American cities of the Mississippi culture. The Cherokee Nation was not hunter gatherers or a slash and burn culture, they actually lived in houses made of logs, actual permanent settlements, towns, the Appalachian Mountains from Georgia to New England was their homeland. later they were concentrated into smaller areas by the USA and later forcibly removed to the Midwest "Indian Territories" Native American culture consisted of quite a bit more than wondering tribes... In Central and South America they had huge stone cities and built pyramids of stones, seriously are you just baiting me? Most of North america is shown as hunter gatherers on maps but there were some tribes that lived permanent settlements. The Most advanced were in central and south america but the Appalachian mountains and Mississippi river valley contained tribes that lived in permanent agricultural settlements. Early Spanish explorers spread small pox that for all practical purposes eliminated the settled tribes that depended on agriculture. Even in the desert south west many tribes were permanent agriculture based tribes. I will admit this is not universally accepted by many historians, the Mississippi culture was ended by small pox and never recovered. Most of the actual development of things like potatoes, tomatoes, and corn was done in Central America but it had spread to North America well before Columbus. Tobacco was developed by North American tribes but it was not smoked the way Europeans eventually used it. It was smoked ceremoniously and used in sweat lodges. Sadly the most well known cultures of North America were indeed hunter gatherers but they had spread greatly die the to death of more permanent tribes due to the small pox epidemic that eliminated the settled tribes. These wandering tribes had taken over much of the old territories by the time Europeans moved into the majority of North America. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potato http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solanaceae It's interesting to note that many different plants are related to potatoes, including peppers tomatoes and tobacco, not to mention many varieties and species that are quite deadly. http://archaeology.about.com/od/plthroughpo/a/Potatoes.htm

yes i would be interested in the details of this.

None of us have memories long enough to remember to reply...

WOW! Talk about an embarrassing mispeel...

The LED lighting is interesting to me, I keep marine reef aquariums and lighting is a problem, the best lighting is metal halide, but of course is it hot and expensive. Newer LED lighting is what I am considering for my next set up. Wave length is important as well as intensity. Very expensive is the word I would describe commercially available Aquarium LED lighting. Do you have technical expertise in LED lighting? I like to "do it your self" this type of thing...

You said they were a slash a burn culture who could not have developed the varieties of domesticated plants when in fact the image of Native Americans as less than civilized is a product of Hollywood and the Europeans who waged a constant warfare of deception and extermination against the native peoples. Actual biological warfare was used against my own ancestors as well as armed conflict and a constant war of dehumanization resulting in the modern day assumption that they were not civilized and somehow only benefited by being tamed by the white man... yeah, i am a bit touchy about it sometimes, tell a black man how he is better off to have had his ancestors dragged to North america by the white man and you'll get a similar reaction. The native people of North, Central, and South America were, even by European standards, quite civilized when first contact occurred, disease and constant warfare winnowed the natives in North America down until only the natives of the open plains were left to be immortalized by Hollywood and prejudiced historians. The Cherokee Nation was robbed of their homeland even though they were "officially" civilized and allies of the USA, the discovery of gold on our homeland resulted in this betrayal, google the Trial of Tears to find out more... That's mighty white of you... the civilization of the Americas had been cultivating corn for more than a 1000 years by the time the white man had arrived, they had large cities and cultivated a great many unique crops and had been doing so for thousands of years... Biological warfare and deception is the hall mark of the Europeans and it was the down fall of the civilizations of the new world... I apologize for the miscommunication...

You would be mistaken, I suggest you do a little more research on this, I am a Native American, Native Americans developed corn, they also developed potatoes... Not all Native Americans were savages... The Cherokee Nation not to mention others were not slash and burn culture... Again you are mistaken. Since you did not I can not...

We are Americans, lower your self respect and surrender your culture, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated...

oh I'm ready for them... The existence of screaming harry Potter fans does not mean harry Potter was a real person or that Hogworts exists or that magic works...

But the new testament is not obviously true, it is indeed more likely totally made up centuries after the fact. There is no independent record of anything Jesus did until almost 100 years after his death and that is almost certainly false and inserted in someone else's writings a couple hundred years later by christians who are notorious for lying to support their religion... There is no local conformation of the Life of jesus other than the new testament, no record of 3 hours of darkness during his crucifixion, the earth quake, the walking dead saints, these are things even non believers would have noticed... No record of a miracle worker among the jews no record of anything in the new testament other than the new testament that was written well after the fact...

I think you need to elaborate on that, the ancestors of potatoes were indeed poisonous... and if there is a plant that has been more changed by selective breeding than corn I can't imagine what it is... except maybe the banana but the banana man found that out the hard way... I am genuinely confused by the whole gm foods thing, I can't see how it is much if any worse than selective breeding, I'd certainly rather eat GM food than starve but the detractors would rather have people starve than eat GM food...

There is also the fact the Jesus is not mentioned in any historical records or writings other than the new testament. Quite few things that happened at the time of the crucifixion, earth quakes, three hours of darkness, the walking dead saints are not mentioned in any of the writings or records of the time. the first mention of Jesus and his miracles or christians wasn't until almost 100 years later and that is almost certainly inserted in those writings a couple hundred years later by christians who are notorious for lying to support their religion.

Well then, can you use that to falsify the concept of god?

Short of the scenario robheus speaks of I would say no, life will not ever be extinct as long as planets can form and exist around stars. Are you suggesting that life on earth is the only life or asking if life on earth can become extinct then yes, it will become extinct in a few billion years for sure. It's doubtful the conditions that allowed life to form on the earth will be repeated after the earth is sterilized by the death of the sun... Life is not accidental...

I kinda thought about the same thing, but with a couple moderate sized theropod dinosaurs rearing up out of the bushes after everyone was about half drunk.... or maybe a terror bird...

I notice that you didn't term white supremacy as traitors... Being progressive and communist are not synonymous no matter how much you want them to be... Most Progressives are traitors? Most Conservatives are not? come on... You really have yet to demonstrate that is true, traitors seems to be mostly defined by the right, the right cries traitors when someone farts in front of them... by definition any one who disagrees with the right are traitors... All except for those secrete ones? it's called freedom, it matters no matter who is pushing an agenda... I think they are all batshitcrazy... When was polygamy brought into this? They can push it all they want but it's not the way our constitution works and I would fight it tooth and toe nail... rule of law only works if everyone is subject to the same law... This i agree with... Damn I am right wing in Australia... wow!

That is relatively cool, if i had a yard or neighbors and money i would buy a bunch of them...