Moontanman

Again a strawman, I am not arguing any such thing and you know it... No you are making the same tired old argument against progress that has been used since humans could argue, No og, you can't use that rock to make a tool, it's not the one we usually use... Insanity is in the eye of the supposedly sane, your world sounds a lot like 1984... Why is it automatically either or?

That may be your opinion but extinction is extinction.. if the human race wants to send it's genome into the future we will need knowledge, in a million years our descendants among the stars might not be human but at least they will be... To risk that possibility and trade it for slow extinction on this tiny planet is unacceptable to me... You keep saying that unsupported assertion... It will always be so far... Who makes that decision?

Typist, you should really stop grinding that ax, the edge will eventually wear away... There is no way to predict the future out come of any research. We cannot know what scientific discovery will save or doom the human race or even if any of them will, all we can do is keep on truckin'...

You do of course have a point but even religious fundamentalists need followers, why risk killing all of yours? Even religious fundamentalists have a basic understanding of reality and sending all of your followers to allah or jesus is only appealing to a very small fringe... I still say the voice of reason is stronger now than it ever has been and will only get stronger. yes but short of nuking them how to you stop religion? (like that would work) You geld it like the west has done, people like Osama are relics of the past, we need to do something about that small group of people and why they have power. Religious fundamentalists are in all religions, they are a clear and present danger here in the US but the presence of batshitcrazy doesn't mean you need to change the entire human race so it cannot be batshitcrazy. The need for batshitcrazy has to be addressed. No, please show how you can assert that as though it is fact... even a total nuclear exchange between India and Pakistan would not be the end of the world and i think they can and do benefit from the knowledge gained in the cold war, no one can win such a battle... they know it and that has tempered their response to their conflict... Only so many people can be brain scientists... And we are even more reasonable now and I think we will continue to improve, there are holdouts on the fringe but these people are fringes... And that's a bad thing why? Do we have to be so reasonable that we cannot have basic disagreements before we can proceed forward with knowledge?

i say go pound sand, are you going to launch a nuclear strike that dooms us both over an insult? Again, a false comparison, verbal barbs against an argument are not personal insults and anyone who would react to such innocent remarks with violence is not likely to be in control of nuclear weapons... Well there are the conservatives... No I disagree, not if it meant his own destruction in a significant way. Nuclear weapons are not child's toys to be used in any confrontation, it took a long time for those in power to realize how serious the idea of MAD was but I really don't see it now... Oh boy a physicist making burgers, how wonderful the very person who might discover a new source of clean energy or a realistic space drive is making burgers while some guys try to change the very nature of humans... sounds like a good reason to nuke the world. So your argument rests on what could have happened but gives no credit for it not happening?

Personal stuff? Yes but these things do not change the very nature of humans and you can if you wish reject them... Again they can be rejected I will admit to this fly in the ointment but the fact they have not done so gives you some hope they do understand the consequences and not as blind to the reality as you or we fear. No one has claimed that we always use reason but even in that case we stared at the abyss and we blinked, we chose not to fight it out with nukes, mainly because even then there was a basic understanding of just how bad it would be for both sides and no clear winner would or could emerge..

Eugenics anyone? No it is not, you are talking about changing the very nature of human beings, that is not philosophical or political and using science to do it smacks of eugenics.. Horse feathers, we are no longer in danger of a massive world wide nuclear strike, you are strawmanning the problem. We require knowledge to change the world more than we need to change the fundamental nature of humans... Again a strawman, that is not the case, the idea that one bomb used would unleash a world wide Holocaust is no longer valid, I see no chance of this happening and the idea that "one side" or another will unleash such a strike for some unknown reason is laughable...

Do you really think that "we" as a society go to war as easily as we did 100 years ago? I grew up during the cold war era, I saw the political TV ads that showed a nuclear weapon explosion as the end result of voting for the "other" guy. Yes we have had some close calls but the idea that we are doomed to use those weapons or that their use would inevitably result in the destruction of our civilization. The very research you deride is more likely to result in the preserving of our civilization than it's destruction. I think we have made vast improvements in our conflict resolution tactics. Perfect? No of course not but I no longer wake up in a sweat with the nuclear sword hanging over my head either... If we are to survive it will take all the knowledge we can muster, suppression of knowledge is far more likely to result in our going out with a whimper than going out with a bang...

"she" not he... No there weren't... that is why McCarthyism is derided to this day... It is not proof that they are under every rock either... I wonder about the watcher, come on JohnB, does being a conservative really mean you have to agree with every batshit crazy conservative that stands up and shouts nonsense? I damn sure do not agree with all progressive ideas and neither does the guy who you seem to deride so much, maybe you should watch a few more TYT reports and see they don't worship and the alter of every liberal idea that comes down the pike....

I think it's amazing how this stunningly stupid idea keeps popping up... I can't even see how it could be misunderstood data, nothing points to it's validity... everything points to it being horse feathers... I love the idea that somehow gravity was lower 180,000,000 years ago due to the Earth being smaller and that allowed dinosaurs to be large and how does the creation of the moon have anything to do with the earth 180,000,000 years ago? I've honestly tried to see how this idea could gain footing in the modern world and I can't see it.. it truly make no sense at all... Although some creationists seem to really be pushing this...

Yeah I can't wait for my designation to be God...

To show this thesis has merit you will have to show how progress can be anything but what it is. How can scientific discovery be metered out by deciding how dangerous it is? Should Einstein's theory of relativity been censored because it showed matter can be turned into energy? Who makes that determination? Should germ theory be banned because of biological weapons? How is the idea that progress should be halted in any area that might be used as weapons even plausible?

Then again if it works it works...

Anyone with any intelligence wouldn't bother to contact us...

I wasn't trying to ridicule you, I just can't make any sense of what you are saying...

Has to be the top side, the bottom side is on contact with the ground and would impede air flow... btw it's not the curvature of the wing it's the angle of attack...

If you apply enough HP a brick will fly, what is your point?

Shine on... shine on harvest moon, up in the sky...

Your argument is nothing but horse feathers, if not for nuclear weapons we would probably be on WW10 by now, nuclear weapons made wide spread warfare to dangerous to be practical. The power to wipe out continents would almost certainly make other advancements possible as well. What would you do, put us all back in caves, with a sharp rock and living in fear of cave lions? There is no way you can predict how advancements would be used but we humans have made some stunningly good decisions, not waging nuclear war was one of them. We have weapons that are far more dangerous than nuclear weapons, and far easier to make, when it gets to the point that going to war on another country is almost certain to cause damage to your self as bad as your enemy it gives most knowledgeable people pause and despite the childish nature of the behavior of large groups of people reason has won out as knowledge has increased. Nuclear weapons have come to the point that they are almost nothing but phallic symbols too large to use and only good for masturbation fantasies... In fact i think it's quite possible to assert that ignorance is far more dangerous than knowledge, in modern terms the people who want to limit knowledge are far more dangerous than those who seek it... The most dangerous people on the planet are religious fundamentalists who want to take things back the middle ages, which religion doesn't matter it's the dehumanizing influence of ignorance that is dangerous...

Zoo farms? Farm zoos? Black market steaks? I can see it now Canadian meat cartels...

None the less what does dark matter have to do with the moon holding an atmosphere or any other body for that matter? Ummm yes... True, including your next line... If frogs had wings they wouldn't bust their little slimy asses when they jump... what does this mean?

Why would it have to? Why add yet another layer of complexity? What do you gain in understanding by doing so?

I would want a very fine chain mail, it prevents sharks from biting, add a infusion of polycarbonate and a layer of kevlar mesh and it should be quite effective.

What does dark matter have to do with holding an atmosphere? Artificial gravity can be the same as Earth's gravity... Cold fusion is nonsense... This make no sense...