Moontanman

Indeed he would. Can you imagine the howl from creationists? Human Feline hybrid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Angel_(TV_series)

You disappoint me "There is more" I agreed with at least part of your idea and I was willing to discuss it but you lump me in with people you claim are being unfair, the idea of aliens actually reproducing with humans is not rational, they might manipulate us on a basic level in some way, even be similar enough to have sex but actually reproducing is not possible. We cannot mate with apes but we are very closely related to them. Aliens would be related to us in no way shape or form, share no common ancestors, in effect we are more closely related to pine trees than any aliens and shape does not indicate reproductive capability. Could an ichthyosaur mate with a dolphin? They certainly look alike...

I once read a story about a guy who was being punished by the use of nanobot type technology that kept him from dying. He was set down on a planet similar to Cretaceous Earth and left with no technology but the nanobots inside him. Every time he was eaten by a predator he would rise up again out of the predators excrement, resurrected by the nanobots with his memories intact, especially the memories of being eaten alive... he had sex with his nemesis's daughter and the guy decided to get rid of him in a particularly horrific manner... but one death was not enough for the mans revenge so he punished him with being immortal...

These two things are mutually incompatible, humans are apes and by heredity monkeys as well, no felines are in the direct line of decent in humans. As for genetic structure humans would be more likely to interbreed with pine trees than humanoids from another planet... They might be able to mate, the sex might be wonderful but no reproduction could take place... Sorry, one more edit, many scifi stories have humans mating with aliens, in John Varley's trilogy titan wizard and demon the centaurs can and do mate with humans and have off spring but the centaurs are not an evolved species they are created as is by their god so they can mate with humans and have off spring.

Since we only get one - rep per 24 hours I hesitate to give it out unless the person is really being a jackass because each time i do i find someone else who deserves it more. i do give out a lot of + rep points. if someone really tries to mount a decent argument I do give out points even to people I think are jackasses. I give + rep to people to encourage them, when you are new and can't find your footing it's nice to get + rep for an informative post. The carrot and the stick.... I think we should have 3 - rep points to give out per 24 hours but no one asks me

If you had evidence of a miracle I'd consider it evidence but so far you do not. Name a few, so far all you have are coincidences and horse feathers Let's see, just to name two Noah's Ark and the description of the earth and the sky? No a lie is asserting something that is not true. No sin deserves eternal torture... I watched your video, it is not... how do i say this with out being personally insulting... evidence of anything and why would going to Israel prove anything? njaohnt almost 300 posts in the thread and so far no evidence what so ever, really and truly if you have evidence that is more than just empty claims from rabid believers please post it or admit you have faith and nothing else...

No njaohnt, you are lying right now, you insinuate that the Bible and what is in it has never been put to the test when in fact is has and the bible failed and I mean failed completely. If you have any evidence i suggest you show it instead of using falsehoods to undermine things there is evidence for. Seriously njaohnt, 295 posts in this thread and you have failed utterly to support your premise, time to admit you only have faith and from what I've seen out of you there is precious little of that in your arguments...

So now you know the mind of a man who has been dead for more than 100 years? Scientists of his day were indeed trying to show the bible was true, the established thought at the time that was that the bible was literally true so there must be evidence of what happened everywhere but it proved to be a fools errand, nothing that science examined then (or now) showed anything but that bible was lies because there is no evidence of God christian or other wise.... If you have some please feel free to show it but of course you do not, all you have is a desperate desire to confirm your own fantasy of god, it's sad njaohnt, sad that you don't have enough confidence to believe with out proof, sad that you consistently do your best to tear down reality in favor of a book of myths and fairy tales... I pity you, you are wasting the one life you have promoting a lie and trying to get others to believe the lie by making claims that are basically lies, misrepresentations, and fabrications. I hope you genuinely don't realize you are promoting a lie but even if you are delusional that makes it doubly sad... The fact that you think an eternity in hell is deserved by anyone who doesn't believe is pathological...

How about you read the rules you agreed to when you joined....

I do indeed know about the star child skull, no alien DNA was found in it and your assertion that is had been found in a skull threw me off. Your assertion that is is an alien skull is not supported by the evidence. I have not argued against the idea of alien contact in ancient times i just don't see any evidence they piled up rocks for us. It doesn't matter if they look exactly like us that doesn't mean we share any DNA, BTW i suggest you read your own link... *oops my bad, it wasn't your link but i suggest you read it none the less. I never suggested that there could not be intelligent aliens, i just said they could not mate with us and produce off spring and i see no evidence they piled up rocks into pyramids....

Possibly i was a bit too vague in my last post.... Visitation by ancient aliens does not equal them piling up huge stones for us. Even for aliens it would be a colossal undertaking. We see no signs of their presence, but we do see evidence of thousands of humans living there as workers. So far i see no reason to connect aliens with megalithic structures other than possibly inspiring the ancients to build them but even that has little if any supporting evidence. Do you have any evidence of that skull other than your assertions? The idea of aliens reproducing with humans is absurd, it would be easier to mate with a pine tree, at least we are related to pine trees. Even if aliens were humanoid in appearance it doesn't mean we could reproduce with them, their DNA or what ever they used in place of it would have no connection with humans.

Ok, I'll bite into this one, Ancient Astronauts, i happen to think that religion is at least partially the result of contact between aliens and humans, I have no real proof but that is another thread for sure. But I'd really like to know how primitive humans moved 800 ton blocks of stone much less carved them.... But aliens did it? How did they do it? Magical technology we can't understand? maybe... but think of this, for us to move such stone blocks would require huge amounts of equipment, machines and the trained aliens to run them. Can you imagine a human construction crew building the Pyramids and not leaving behind traces of them being there? All the traces we see are traces of primitive humans. Can you imagine aliens caring enough about building such monuments that they would go through the trouble to ferrying the equipment necessary down to the Earth? Such an undertaking would be immense not to mention meaningless... If such help was given they were immaculate in their clean up methods, they left behind no traces what so ever, no pieces of broken machines, no traces such gigantic machines would leave behind, no lost articles of technology? Can you imagine a human construction crew not loosing a few rings watches or other similar items, nuts and bolts at least? Aliens might not have worn watches you say? maybe not but i feel confident that aliens, real physical beings, would have left behind atavistic items that would stand out like sore thumbs today. i think humans built everything we see today, when you have thousands of slaves you can use like pieces of equipment you can do some pretty awesome things if you don't care about the workers much. Human determination and ingenuity is awesome, asserting aliens did it is insulting... Those 800 ton blocks of stone are troubling but not an indication of aliens...

Mostly via lies and deceit, the fundies mobilized a huge ad campaign aimed at churches, by strawmaning the debate they managed to make even moderates follow their plan. Moderates seem to be crippled every time someone claims to be defending Christians or some aspect of Christian belief. The fundies basically shamed the more moderates into supporting them. You under estimate the effectiveness of this tactic. Sadly, this did not work where i live, the evangelicals have far too much influence over the moderates and use shame, guilt, and fear to manipulate them. Millions of dollars were spent trying to show this distinction but what was preached from the pulpit was believed not the truth. How do you manage to do that? In politics that is impossible, lies and deceit are the coin of politics... What is post abortion? How it is relevant to this issue?

This happens to be one of my lines of interest, I would like to see some support for your assertions of advanced technology being used other than they couldn't have done it. Ancient humans were not stupid, they did some amazing things. While I agree that life on other planets almost certainly exists, yes even intelligent life but you have to provide some idea of how and why they came here. It's difficult to imagine even a 4.5 light year jaunt just to screw with the natives... Visiting aliens is one hypothesis, as far as I know it has little support, if you have info to the contrary I suggest you post links to it. I would assume technology of some kind but I wouldn't assert it as fact until i had more evidence. Yes, I understand the implications of such reports if taken at face value, something that is difficult to do in the face of zero evidence. Again, i see your point but can you support your point with anything but conjecture? Again, I understand your assertion but do you have any evidence to support it? Again can you support that assertion with anything other than your own assertion? I call bullshit on that one... I'm not sure I understand what eating the seed means but most of the stuff you claim as organized lying on a grand scale can be more easily explained by ignorance, stupidity, and the fear caused by religious indoctrination with out any hidden alien agenda being present. And by the way 50 ton carved blocks are not the largest stones quarried and moved and put in place by humans, 800 ton blocks were also done this way. http://ancientmystery.info/Baalbek.htm

Many scientists are religious but they know that god is not quantifiable. The idea of god is no better than my titanic creature excreting universes, it's not falsifiable...

I already know people who live that life style I see no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to make it legal although finding a unicorn is difficult from what i hear...

Thank the founding fathers but the religious are doing their best to break that barrier between church and state...

You don't know what your own religion really is, the Christianity you know is a pale shadow of what it once was. Even today you get the odd sniper killing a doctor, a bomber destroying a women's health clinic, even open warfare between Christian sects but before the enlightenment religion was law, think Sharia law, and people who didn't worship the way the powers that were said was the right way then you died. There was almost constant warfare between various sects, the USA was unique because there was no state religion, it had freedom of religion because it had no official religion. That sort of mindset cannot be allowed to get control of modern technology. In the USA the religious are pursuing the goal of religion, law and government being the same thing, you know... for everyone's own good, the moderate Christians, who are conspicuous only by their silence, cannot see how dangerous this stuff is. Since they only experience the gelded form of their religion they think it should be put back in power and everyone would be better off for it. This theocracy cannot be allowed to happen, even now the republican candidate, actually all of them, claimed to be creationists, it's insanity...

Quite the contrary I didn't insinuate you had never read the bible I asserted that you didn't read the passages in the video because you claimed that because Martin Sheen was quoting from the bible in that clip that he was some how unqualified to quote from the bible! Just because an actor quoted the bible doesn't mean he is wrong, read the passages he quoted to see if he was correct, don't dismiss the quotes because someone famous said them. Actually very nearly every believer we get here has little idea of what the bible really says, all they have is what someone else told them. I am consistently having to point out that their assertions of what the bible says is bullshit. Sadly this is true in real life as well. So you only cherry pick the things you are going to believe? No, this is far to important to agree to disagree, religion is actively proselytizing the masses, they do this mainly by lies and deceit. They gloss over the horrific stuff and paint a picture of this benevolent god who loves everyone and that if everyone would just believe all would be right with the world but past history of religion clearly shows this not to be true. Until the enlightenment not agreeing could earn you a bath in boiling oil, burning at the stake or a nice ride on the rack. Abrahamic religion was gelded by the enlightenment before that religion had total control over every one and to step outside the limits imposed by religion was to risk a horrific end. Religion cannot agree to disagree, it's very purpose is to convert everyone, lies are ok, in fact the founder of the protestant religion said that lies were ok and when reality conflicted with the bible the bible must be believed instead of reality. If religion is given back power like the people in the US seem to want I would be tortured until I confessed belief and then I'd be burned at the stake. No, I cannot agree to disagree when it comes to something like religion that actively seeks to control our society via fairy tales written over 2500 years ago....

ewmon, with this post you have exposed something I think is important. Most believers have no idea what their holy books says, they only read, if they read it at all, the cherry picked passages their Priest, Pastor, or Sunday school teacher tells them to read with no idea about what the rest says. Reading the Bible cover to cover is what started me on my road to being a non believer. I was about 14 or so when the Sunday school teacher told us about Job and how he was such a righteous man that he was willing to kill his child for god. This disturbed me quite a bit and while I'd had lots of questions from an early age, I knew Noah's ark was simply not true when I was 8, I still clung to the idea of a kind and loving god. The story of Job stunned me so much I decided to read the entire bible. It was insanity personified, very few books even in fiction are so bloody and have such gory details. Since then I have read it cover more times than i can actually remember but at that time I read it at least twice, stunned by what was in it and hoping against hope I had read it wrong. The stunning thing is that most believers allow others to tell them what is in the bible instead of reading it them selves or they allow others to tell them what passages mean instead of accepting them at face value or at least reading the entire passage and the stuff around it that puts it in context. If I had a $ for every time I've heard the whine of theists telling me that if I would only read the Holy Word of god I would see the error of my ways.... Well ewmon, i have read the bible, it is either the most violent, gory, misogynist, bigoted, arrogant, fiction i have ever read or it is a description of a powerful being who is nothing but a monster, a monster that lies, cheats, and demands people rape, kill, and plunder for it's own amusement. So please don't insult me further by insinuating that if i had only read the bible I would see how great god is.... The bold sentence in your post is totally unsupported bullshit... Oh yeah I agree that every one should read the Holy Bible, it's the best way to convert people to atheism...

Actually i have read it, more than once cover to cover and many times if you count all the cherry picked passages I studied in Sunday school and I did indeed look up the passages quoted by martin sheen , which you evidently did not, I suggest you read those quotes out of the bible and see what they mean. I would definitely suggest you not assume things about me or anyone else that you do not and cannot know....

So the Ten commandments can now be ignored?

JohnB, as recent efforts by these religious people show there is no way to appease them, they want it all. As I have stated before in my state that "minority" has passed a constitutional amendment that prohibits not only same sex couple from marrying (they did this even though state law already prohibited gay marriage) that amendment also interferes with civil unions between heterosexual couples. They don't want to defend marriage they want to disenfranchise any one who is not religious. What about this is unclear to you? They don't want compromise, they are doing the will of God... While I don't know about the rest of the world but in the USA they must be a very powerful minority, they weld tremendous influence on the so called moderates and those moderates can't seem to understand that just because someone claims revelation from God it doesn't mean they are talking to anyone but their own egos... 37 states have already passed redundant laws or constitutional amendments to limit the rights of gay people, it's an easy thing to slide by the religious because they know the bible says homosexuality is an abomination so they are afraid to oppose these laws. So these people put on their polyester cotton blend clothes and go and vote against equal rights for gays and after they go by Red Lobster for Dinner and put up with their disrespectful children and smile and know they are following the word of god....

If you area believer and think the bible is a superior moral code... read it!

I wish i could be of help, I culture unicellular algae regularly as food for daphnia and fairy shrimp. I've been doing this for many years but the result is never a mono culture because I use naturally occurring algae spores. One of the most important things in culturing algae I've found Is phosphorus, i use "Navel Jelly" a rust remover as a source of phosphorus. approximately one tea spoon per 70 gallons of water. I know this is probably not much help but culturing algae is as much a skill set as it is science. What i am trying to say is it took me a long time to figure out how to consistently come up with "green water" on demand. Of course when you don't want it unicellular algae is everywhere you don't want it to be. Practice makes perfect....