Moontanman

I thought Satan owned the place...

The rights of gay people trump religion every time for me. Gay rights are personally important, my oldest son is gay. I will fight for his rights in any way i can. His worth as human being cannot be measured by the writings of bronze age savages nor should his rights as a human being be lessened. Your constant effort to associate the movement for gay rights and some insane group of pedophiles is as despicable as it is dishonest.

There is no doubt that the same people that want to limit marriage also want to limit birth control, in fact they want to legislate morality, theirs of course, make their version of morality the only one allowed and it must be enforced by law. They are very dangerous, more so because they have so much influence over the mainstream who just can't see how good Christian people can harm anyone....

Children do not have the same rights as adults, your comparison fails. You seem to have a real worry with this, is there a movement I am unaware of that supports child marriage? (other than the Mormon fundamentalists?) pot kettle black JohnB... So couple who are sterile shouldn't be allowed to marry? Even if you assume that most Christians do not have a problem with gays why do you think they right to control the word marriage? The church no more owns the word marriage than it owns the word moral. Simply stepping up and laying claim to a term doesn't make you own it... They're coming, they are spreading, they intend to Evangelicalize the world, they intend to take back society and as long as so called main stream Christians don't do anything to stop them they are as bad as moderate Muslims who don't condemn the radical fringes. Economic down turns allow these fringes to make more converts, it's downward spiral that has to be stopped and what better way than not conceding them the right to take stuff away from people they don't approve of. Pagans want the Christmas holidays back, they had them first, why shouldn't we take Christmas away from the Christians and give those holidays back to the pagans? Let the Christians celebrate their deities birthday some other time, it would still be the same wouldn't it?

Come on JohnB, i know you can't be serious with that assertion. Child molestation has a victim, Gay marriage does not...

No, we know murder is wrong because the social morals we evolved as a social species tells us it's wrong. Does this always work, no of course not, some people are not born with the social morals built in, we call them sociopaths or psychopaths. Some people are simply raised wrong and this broken training causes them to break the social morals we have evolved. But murder is considered bad because most humans think it so due to being a social species... Those of us to tend to cooperate and take care of each other are more successful in our group than those who are self centered and do not cooperate with the group.

Yes, lets be honest, in my state that small minority managed to get the State constitution changed to disenfranchise not only gays but secular M/F couples who are not married but instead use civil unions. yes, they won't allow civil unions anymore either, gay or other wise...

Does anyone know if the WISE telescope can detect temperature anomalies inside the solar system out to the Ort cloud? I was under the impression it could but lately I've heard that WISE is only good for objects far outside the solar system.

You are still talking nonsense, rocky planets are not going to expand like a gas giant would. Why would you assert that the Earth has expanded? What does the expansion theory explain better than current models? You still have yet to show any mechanism for the expansion. You have yet to show any evidence of expansion. I am asserting that nothing will happen other than the surface of the planet will get warmer if a rocky planet migrates towards it's parent star. I watched your video and it was nonsense as i pointed out at the beginning of this thread. It seems a little funny that your video is now set to private and it can't be watched...

Radioactive dating of the Earth? Again, how much expansion and what evidence do you have to support the notion of the Earth expanding? Why do you think the Earth expanded? Current models explain the current state of the Earth very well and require no mysterious processes that cannot be explained...

You claimed that the present arrangement of the continents is a result of an expanding Earth, your lack of belief in plate tectonics was the driver. For the Earth to have it's present arrangement of continents from a super continent like Pangea via expansion would require the Earth start out the size of Mars. This happened in 150,000,000 years. With out this premise there is no reason to think the Earth has expanded at all. No, the available evidence suggests all the continents were in one place 150,000,000 years ago, not billions... No matter what there remains the fact that no known process could possibly expand the Earth significantly due to a rise in temperatures. Your premise is trivially falsified...

The Earth is less cold now than it was millions of years ago? Less cold enough to make it expand by 200%? That much less cold would cause the Earth to be incandescent... is that better? From this angle it looks amazingly like horse feathers...

Do you read what you write? Think about what you are saying, heat input causes the Earth to expand from around 4000 miles 150,000,000 years ago to around 8000 miles today? The earth would be incandescent from that much heat input over that period of time. This simply makes no sense. What does this have to do with an expanding Earth... ? I think it's safe to say that the Earth could have migrated to a five day orbit around the sun and not expanded that much....

I'll take door #2 for the win Alex....

I'm not sure how to figure it but I'm betting that you wouldn't need a super computer to figure it out. For the idea to be real at all the Earth must have expanded almost 200% in the last 150,000,000 years *due to heating but if you go with say .01% in say 1,000,000 years I'm betting the energy required would extinguish life on earth. *Rich_A12 main mechanism of expansion

Really? WTF? We have refuted every half backed "mechanism" you have come up with so far... So you pulled this out of your ass two days ago and expect us to solve the problem for you? Your assertion of an expanding Earth is nothing but horse apples... If you are to assert that an expanding earth accounts for the spreading of the continents then the Earth must have been the size of Mars just a 150 million years ago or so.... Now you have one parameter to deal with... explain it... that would mean the Earth is expanding on average about 21.45 millimeters a year... maybe not, i can't seem to get the same answer more than twice today for some reason but the rate of expansion is big enough to measure easily for sure. Looks more like .4 millimeters a year... I'm not doing something right, maybe... ok, I dropped a decimal point, it's 39 millimeters a year...

No, what i am doing is trying to get you to explain your thoughts on this. You make a very vague assertion "The Earth is expanding" You have proposed several things that simply have no bearing on the idea of an expanding earth. Again, if you raised the temperature of the Earth enough to expand the earth significantly the Earth's surface would vaporize, at the very least the oceans would boil and all life would die. I am trying to get some idea of what you are talking about so some kind of model can be built to see if your ideas have merit, so far they do not... You have to be specific, the standard expanding earth theory says the earth was much smaller, about the size of Mars sometime in the last half a billion years or so and gravity was much lower then as well. Is this part of your idea? Expanding Earth theory proposes that mass is being added to the earth in some way that allows the earth to expand but does not disrupt the surface enough to wipe out life. You need to tell us what your expanding earth idea is about, How much expansion... How fast did it expand.. How big was the Earth before it started expanding... How long ago did it start expanding... And last but not least, why did it expand... What is the mechanism that allows and or causes the expansion?

No, the problem is that so far you have presented nothing that supports your idea... First you really should point out why your idea is better than plate tectonics, you have failed to do that in any way so far. Then you have to propose a mechanism that would allow the Earth to expand, so far you have presented nothing to support that assertion. A temperature increase big enough to make the Earth expand would vaporize the surface of the earth... Pressure does not necessarily equal expansion, but if you raised the Earth's temperatures high enough to cause the planet to expand you would vaporize the surface of the earth and it would still be a minuscule amount of expansion...

Again, what does that have to do with an expanding Earth? The core of the Earth is about 10,000 degrees, it is still a very dense solid despite the heat due to pressure. How much temperature increase are you talking about? 100c? 1000c, 10,000c? Any temperature change great enough to significantly expand the earth would result in a rock vapor atmosphere...

Crack babies are an urban myth, the real problem was and is Fetal Alcohol Syndrome...

? What do you mean? The expanding earth theory was discredited a century ago, so far none of the mechanisms you have suggested are connected in any way to the idea of an expanding earth. Again, what does that have to do with an expanding Earth?

It's not possible... Yes bonds can be broken and yes a large percentage of the Earth is made up of chemicals that can be gasses under standard temps and pressures. But under the temps and pressures found inside the earth oxygen is never found unbound, it might change partners but it is never free. Yes planets do migrate toward their stars sometimes but the planet does not expand... The atmosphere might puff up some and in the case of gas giants that makes them look bigger but not Earth sized planets!

What is your point? These elements are chemically bound.

No! Not when gas is dissolved in solid rock!

None the less how does a release of gas from within the Earth result in an expansion of the Earth? Jupiter is gaseous to begin with it has no solid surface and no matter how close you moved it to the Sun it would never be 10X it's current size... your argument is nonsensical...