Moontanman

Ok, one more time, how would a release of gas cause the Earth to expand?

So you know this how? Have you conducted polls to confirm this attitude about The Holy Land? So you think this conflict is only of interest to Jews and Muslims? You know this how?

When did this happen and where did all that gas go? Oh yeah, and how does a release of gas equate to an expanding earth?

John, have you ever heard of the tyranny of the majority? If 90% of the population decides you should marry a man and refuses to allow male female couples to marry then is it ok to suppress your rights? Now I have to admit I have no idea how it works in Australia but in the US not only is religion behind the push to deny gay marriage and civil unions it's simply not true that churches will not marry same sex couples. Some do, a great many as a matter of fact. No one is suggesting that all churches be required to marry gays. The most disturbing thing here in the US is the denial of civil unions to non religious couples as well as gays, the church doesn't just want to prohibit gays from being married they want the whole enchilada, they want to control marriage, birth control, education, morality of everyone. some are actually advocating rounding gays up into concentration camps and allowing them to die off since they cannot reproduce. Stupid narrow minded controlling people who lie awake at night worrying that some place some one is having a good time... and something must be done about it. The most disturbing thing to me is how so called mainstream religious people can't bring themselves to call bullshit on this crap, they don't understand that they enjoy their own religious point of view because of laws limiting the power of religion to interfere in their daily lives and what the hell does NAMBLA have to do with this?

No!!! The Earth is not a balloon! It is not puffed up by internal gas pressure, if all the gases on the Earth including water, were somehow re-injected into the ground the earth would not expand. The gases would be compressed... Again, why is the expanding earth theory better than plate tectonics? What does it explain that is not explained better with plate tectonics? You have no evidence, no mechanism, no observations that are explained better by the expanding earth claim, you have nothing but your own inability to understand plate tectonics... Why do you think the Earth is expanding is better than the theory of plate tectonics?

How is this related to an expanding earth? Gasses pouring out of the earth does not make the Earth expand... yes, but the guy who's pure thought led him to conclude that urinating on the fire would make it burn better was discredited. I think aliens live in the ort cloud, I can think it all day long, all my life, but it's just a thought, no evidence supports it, it's just a thought. But it is possible, does that mean it should be seriously considered? So far your idea isn't even possible, you show no reason what so ever why we should consider the idea of an expanding earth.

Rich_A12, you assert the earth is expanding but you fail to not only show evidence of any expansion you give no viable mechanism for that expansion. There is no evidence the earth is expanding, if you have any evidence of such an expansion please give us that evidence. Gasses expanding inside the earth is nonsensical, such gases would rise to the surface and join the atmosphere not stay inside the earth make it expand. Measurements of the earth are accurate to an incredible degree, any expansion currently taking place would be obvious. You need to give a reason why you think the Earth is expanding and a mechanism for that expansion not to mention evidence of that expansion, you fail on all three accounts...

Gasses inside the earth, causing the earth to expand? Heat from the sun is going to matter to an earth's interior that is hotter than the surface of the sun? Equally meaningless link to another science forum... Come on Rich_A12, can you support this with anything other than your disbelief in an non expanding earth?

Do we want a draft dodger for president?

How'd you guess?

Well no one said it had to be believable....

I am going to go with rigney on this one, I have in recent years been in that boat where $1 made a big difference in my life, deciding to buy a fancy light bulb or buy a cheap one and eat... I generally choose eating... as far as my electric bill goes I see no discernible difference... then again I live near a nuclear power plant, power plants both nuclear and coal fired are scattered around the area and electricity is cheap...

You could have a point, the house is very old, 80 years or so and the wiring is hodge podge of various eras.

Oh, that's just flatulence...

I think there is a huge mega-verse that contains creatures vast beyond imagining that consume dark matter and excrete universes. Their digestive systems turn dark matter into normal matter but the process, much like any grazer, is inefficient, so most of the dark matter comes back out with just a small fraction of normal matter....

I have to admit I've had a lot of problems with CFLs, I replace them at a rate not any better than incandescents. The new house I moved into eats CFLs, they are expensive to replace that often.

I have to admit that, to me, calling someone broken who really might not know any better is difficult, much like a child, if you grew up in a culture that simply taught that religion was all there was how could you be broken? Once the evidence starts coming out if you double down and believe in the face of contrary evidence then yes you are broken.

That is the most outrageous misrepresentation of what the reality of the situation is that I have ever read.... Seriously, Christians don't think the Holy land is Holy? How many crusades? How many millions of deaths fighting the Muslims over the so called Holy land?

I have to say that I have read, right now I can't remember for sure where, that the people who are now considered Jews were sun worshipers originally and the idea of monotheism came from that beginning. I'll think on it and see if I can remember.

yeah but i wanted to be asked what i believe...

I feel a bit slighted

I don't know ydoaPs, i remember guys who ran like girls... Just kidding great post, you deserve the pos rep. ewmon, why is homosexuality such an issue when the other abominations mentioned in the old testament are ok? No one gets upset over someone wearing two different types of thread in their cloths, why don't we kill unruly children? Homosexuality must be very special since all the others can be ignored but this one...

Most of mine are fundamentalist protestant Christians but I have talked to a couple of Catholics who made the same claim. Yes they literally hear what they think is gods voice, many times god tells them trivial things like where their car keys are or a hair brush. sometimes it's hugely important things like "lets disenfranchise gays" or kill abortion doctors but it's gods voice, nothing can change their minds about that.

JohnB, why is it important to restrict what other people and churches do? Right now there are churches who will marry same sex couples. No one is suggesting forcing a church that does not want to marry same sex couple to do so. As far as the slippery slope argument goes in my state the slope was turned upside down the religious right with a constitutional amendment banned not only same sex couples they also banned civil unions by same sex couples and even civil unions by non religious M/F couples. The slippery slope is that religion asks for a yard and then takes a mile. They don't want to just stop gay marriage they want to stop all non religious unions, premarital sex, any sex outside wedlock, and stop the use of birth control, yes i said birth control, abortion is the rallying cry but contraception is the real demon they are fighting. Religion wants the control over everyone personal life thy used to have in the relatively recent past and they will lie, cheat, misrepresent the words of others and out right fabricate bullshit to convince their sheep to vote the "right" way.

WOW! we must live on different planets, know almost no theists who do not make that claim....