Moontanman

Noah's Ark can be shown to be false simply by the existence of echinoderms, if god can do anything why did he need and ark to begin with? Again, logic has nothing to do with religion and the Christianity you see today is afar cry from the religion is was before the enlightenment, it has been gelded and no longer kills and tortures people who disagree with the churches authority, but not because the church suddenly decided it was wrong. The church was forced to relinquish it's absolute control over the people. No, now you know why disproving god is impossible without have god like powers as well. No, the assertion is that believing in something as outrageous as god with absolutely no supporting evidence is broken... But they can be shown to be true my mathematics... using your logic i can assume as an axiom that any god is real or that invisible dragons are real and that they really run the world by pulling on our puppet strings... I never mentioned the crusades, the crusades are a drop in the bucket and not even in the bible but the bible was used to justify them... I've read it all at least four or five times. So now you assume I have never tried to understand this issue? Show some evidence of this please... Again, do you have any evidence of this? yes and their religion dragged then into the black hole of fundamentalism which they have yet to recover from. it wasn't religion that allowed the science and scholars of the Middle east to prosper. This has absolutely nothing to do with what i said, try again... Now you know why i thought this was an appropriate response to your non response...

Whether you like it or not all you are doing is making unsupported assertions about things you have little knowledge of and nothing but assumptions of what you think religion is and says...

You seem to be asserting that God has to be the Christian God, not all gods or pantheons of gods have the creation of the universe attributed to them.

and food prices would skyrocket. So organic farming produces skinny police officers? ( I just couldn't help myself...) i think organic is a much over used buzzword, dog shit is organic but i don't want it on my food. Should certain pesticides not be used or at least be regulated? yes i think we can agree on that but as someone who grew up on a farm that used pesticides on a limited basis and artificial fertilizer not at all I can tell you it is very labor intensive and prone to iffy results. As for things like mad cow, it's lack of regulation and basically stupid things like the processed flesh of sick animals being used as feed to vegetarian animals not organic vs inorganic. in the US at one time dead animals off the side of roads was ground up and fed to our food animals. This is simply asking for problems, at some point some sort of risk vs cost has to be figured out. Both in how we raise our food and how we regulate that process, using meaningless buzz words like organic and inorganic to influence people in ways that have little basis is reality will hurt us all.

Questionposter, you do understand that disproving stuff is, if not impossible then, very difficult. I have an a dragon who lives in my basement that only I can see, disprove that.... To absolutely disprove god would require god like powers at the very least. Your suggestion that god hasn't been disproved and is therefore likely to exist is nonsensical.... Yes they are, your axiom has no evidence to support it what so ever, how can it be an axiom? While I don't know that much about Siddhartha, you seriously need to do some study of the Holy Bible... You keep asserting this but you provide no evidence what so ever that it is true, only your assertion... Then there is the fact that the idea of hell is not synonymous with religion, only with a few quite recent ones, and if you had bothered to actually read the Holy Bible you would have noticed that the bible is not exactly a book of instructions on how to be peaceful. Please provide some evidence of this...

You honestly assert those things are logical? God isn't dangerous? How many atheists stand on street corners preaching the evils of other people compared to his group of people? how many times a day do you hear on the news about some religious person asserting that one part of the population that do something his god thinks is wrong have to outlawed? How many atheists do you see asserting that anyone who is not an atheist should be killed? Strike that, even though killed is not over the top think of how often you hear of religious people claiming the rights of people who disagree with them should have their rights restricted in some way. in my state in a couple days we will vote on whether or not to restrict the rights of one group over another group for no reason what so ever other than religion. Holy texts abound where god demands that unbelievers be restricted in same way, often this is by taking their lives. Religion demands it's believers convert others to their beliefs, often this is done between small groups who's beliefs are almost identical other than tiny differences in interpretation of scripture, in the past and we as currently these tiny differences have been used to dehumanize and justify killing human beings over nothing more than belief. Society was formed by religion? You really can't see a reason to form groups other than religion? i think it's more likely that religion was used to justify one group dominating another after groups had already formed. There is no doubt that religion retarded the growth of society during for instance the dark ages. I have no problem with someone having a belief that there is some sort of god, if that was as far as it goes but invariably that belief results in the dehumanizing of people who do not share that belief and trying to convert others to your belief. The Christian religion we see today, as an example, was at one time very counter productive to civilization, dehumanizing and killing anyone who disagreed on even tiny things. But the Christianity we see today is not the all powerful religion it once was and that is the only reason why it seems as reasonable as it does today and even ow it is used to dehumanize others... to the point of death...

Seriously Tar2, how is anyone's idea of god any different than anyone else's? Thor, Zeus, Jupiter, Adriana, Venus, Aphrodite, Krishna, Allah, Yahweh, Quetzalcoatl, Jesus, none of them have any more objective reality or are any less delusional than any of the others...

Could have had something to do with this guy too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Lazar In some odd ways it's not difficult to see god as an alien who is breeding people to be a certain way and allowing his chosen people to kill off competing humans...

I remember asking about that as a child and being told she was his sister and god allowed that incest because the family of Adam and Eve were the only people on the earth.

It is indeed true that we are related to all Eukaryota, as far as we know there is only on tree of life, more like a tumble weed than a tree really, but to say that this organism is ancestral to all other Eukaryota is stretching a point far beyond any reasonable association.

I am going to second that question as well. I have heard some of the most outrageous claims made by religious people as "reveled truths" or as amazingly convoluted interpretations of written scripture. In all cases I am aware of not only is the "interpretation" or "reveled truth" completely self serving they never have any real world evidence to back up the claim either. Make even a slightly off beat claim about anything else and people will crawl up your ass 'til next Tuesday to check the details. People who really have no idea about the veracity of your claim will jump to point out how impossible it is and even when you show evidence they still carp and accuse you are somehow distorting the truth. For instance, I keep aquarium fish, sometimes due to my connections with breeders and fisheries people I get unusual specimens. I've had paddlefish, Polyodon spathula, for about two years. on forums where aquariums are the topic i am regularly called a liar, accused of all sorts of deception even though I have both picture and video evidence of my paddlefish, i have written about them and how to keep them, how to feed them, their behaviors in captivity, just lots of things about a fish that was always assumed to be impossible to keep alive in captivity and very little was really known about it's habits. I have even been called a liar by a scientist who studies similar fishes. It's wild how crazy people get over something so easily verified but a religious leader can make sweeping claims about things impossible to test or even know and or even demonstrably false and people suck it up like honey...

I'd like to see some evidence of that, i have never read where that the individual has to be stupid. Again some evidence of this would be good, I see no reason why human level consciousness couldn't be influenced by pheromones and other factors by the bio-sphere. naked moles rates live in a colony ruled by a queen who is the only one that reproduces and they are mammals and not insect like automatons http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_mole_rat

How big is the gator? If is more than 4 feet or so he is immensely stronger than you, much faster, and cares not a wit whether or not you have a knife. When you see an alligator don't think big lizard, they are not big lizards, think T-Rex with short legs. Alligators are very deceptive creatures, most of the time they leave prey as large as a human alone but if he decides to take you nothing you can do will prevent it once he gets hold of you and he can outrun you over short distances.... I've worked with the state fisheries people on population studies and had to enter water where alligators were nearby, even had them swim by close enough to touch but don't think a knife will make any difference, even a gun won't make a difference if an alligators gets hold of you. People around here are very careful about not feeding the gators and there is very little interaction between gators and people except for the occasional dog snack or going after a lawn mower but it's because they don't associate humans with food, once they get the idea that humans and food are together they will attack and the attack is unbelievably fast and devastating...

It took me a long time to come to the conclusion it was bullshit, i came to that conclusion after a very long time of looking very closely at what the bible said.... No, it's that we seldom get anyone here but Christians... and I don't have a problem with any but the creationist types... and you are dishonest... Ignorant? If he was baiting then he caught one for sure....

Sadly I've had a couple of cats killed by aggressive stray dogs but it is true that your attitude can have an effect on who or what your dogs are aggressive toward. What ever you do, don't feed the gator, that is very dangerous, the gator will start to associate humans with food and will eventually attack.... When that happens here they have to be put down before they become dangerous.

Oh, you would think that cats and basset hounds wouldn't mix well but one cat I had always smacked the crap out of the dogs when they were puppies and from then on they would walk around a room to keep from passing near the cat. The cat would sleep curled up with the dogs, they were terrified to get up until the cat did, lol One cat would play chase with the dogs, she would run they would chase, she would stop and they would stop and wait for her to run again.... You said dogs but dogs tend to bark at alligators and since the alligator doesn't move they get closer and closer and bark louder and louder until they get close enough and the dog stops barking and the alligator eats... I doubt a cat would mess with an alligator, cats are either smarter or not as flamboyant as dogs.... Alligators are quite common here, not as big as further south but we still get the occasional 12 footer.... most are more like 6 to 8 feet long. They are very strong and very fast when they want to be, over a short distance an alligator can outrun a man.

Alligators usually take care of the stray dog problem around here, they are like dog magnets....

No one who is honest knows....

How insulting, I mean really insulting. I've read the bible many times, both cover to cover and in little sound bites the pastor gave us to read each day, you are condescending in a particularly insulting way. Are you really so arrogant as to assume with out even asking if i had ever tried your favorite fairy tale? Oh yes, i was raised fundamentalist Christian, the whole fire and brim stone, Noah's ark, pillars of the earth bullshit. Any why a year? Do you read on a 1st grade level or something? I could easily read the entire bible in a few days, admittedly i do read very fast but i also have a very high comprehension level as well. to do it real justice would take a couple weeks but only because it's too boring to concentrate on it for more than a couple hours at a time. your assumption that if someone disagrees with you they haven't read your holy book is horse feathers of the worst sort. but if you assert that then why do you discount the holy books of other religions about other gods and pantheons of gods? You are full of shit.... Those prints you talk about are faked, the "Christians" who faked them admitted to it after it was proven the foot prints had been enhanced by carving the stones. http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy.html

I mostly keep aquariums, freshwater and marine and reef tanks, i had a scarlet king snake for 12 years before it disappeared when the cage was left open. I had a Red tailed boa for a long time but gave it away to a breeder. I had 6 turtles for more than 35 years but an unusually hard winter resulted in them dying two years ago. I kept a tegu lizard for a couple years and traded it for a fish tank. I currently have a paddlefish, Polyodon spathula and I am hoping to obtain some shovelnose sturgeon soon, Scaphirhynchus platorynchus. Oh yeah, three basset hounds and a coon hound... I've had several cats but that was many years ago...

On a planetary scale things like chemical messages, pheromones, virus particles or other completely real world things could be involved, no need for telepathy. An ant colony is aware of and reacts to it's surroundings even if the individual ants are not. Termite and ant colonies are indeed aware, the emergent behaviors they display show this even though the individuals are not.

A deity is exactly what the god of the Hebrews should be described as. DrDNA if you are going to continue to assert that your Christian god is real please provide some evidence of that claim. Belief in the "Hebrew" god is no different than belief in Zeus, Apollo, Thor or Jupiter. Oh no, I'm a Southwest patty melt....

You ask for prayer I'll ask for a doctor... http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/31/health/31pray.html?pagewanted=all

The idea of god is slippery to say the least but could our entire biosphere be likened to a colonial organism that is self aware in the way that ants and or termites colonies are aware? Would such a super organism qualify as being a god? The Earths biosphere could be alive and even aware in it's own way and trying to control the environment much like our bodies mechanisms control the conditions inside our bodies. Quite possibly we are the brain of the organism but we are unaware of the over mind which only seeks to live and doesn't care who dies or suffers individually. It could communicate and control it's various parts through viruses and or feed back loops it controls but has no more conscious thoughts than our liver does... Or maybe we are a cancer that developed in this organism and we are detrimental to it's existence..