Moontanman

I have, that is what it says, no way to get around what it says except by violating the 9th commandment but theists don't seem to have any problem with that when it comes to ignoring what is really written in their book. Nothing like really reading the bible to make you disillusioned with the delusion....

No jryan, the "News letter" is full of quote mined phrases cherry picked to support the Right wing Christian agenda, you show me the actual book or the full text of that passage about elephants and we can talk but if you insist on deceptive quote mining to make your points you are just as dishonest as your source.... BTW, most of the sounds elephants make to communicate with each other are infra sounds, you read the article, stop using deception to make your points, it won't fly with me, i am familiar with quote mining by the religious apologists, it's the same thing as a lie, it's lying, the people who do it are liars..... Funny how that 9th commandment evaporates when the truth conflicts with the religious agenda...

I am not really surprised by those statistics, on the other hand there are fewer atheists in jail than theists even if you correct for percentages of the population. http://www.skeptictank.org/files/american/prison.htm http://freethoughtpedia.com/wiki/Percentage_of_atheists

I easily showed that one of the "News Letter's" assertions was deceptive, do i really have to post the entire article and show you how each and every one is bullshit? If I thought you cared one iota about facts, wanted to really understand, and weren't in fact a right wing christian apologist I would have some incentive but to so but spending my time debunking the same old bullshit over and over has become tiresome and i don't see how you are any more special that any other right wing christian conservative who only sees and hears what he wants to see and hear.... you swallow camels and gag at flies, that is no way to live an intellectually honest life....

How do you reconcile Jesus's support of slavery in the bible if you feel this way? I felt that way after i became an atheist, it is a very freeing experience.... Do you have any sources to confirm that assertion? We do require a sources for such assertions....

How can I address a bunch of cherry picked points in a totally disingenuous "News Letter" that exists for no other purpose than to sow lies and misrepresentations and outright fabrications? "people can't hear elephants" do you even know where quote was mined from? Do you have any idea of what they were really talking about? Who ever said that was a bald faced liar and I would tell him so to his face... http://www.light-science.com/articles1003.html You have shown your true colors, there is no way to debate such a dishonest style of discussion.... The very idea that talking to kids about outdated supernatural notions of what we used to believe and then going on to show what science has discovered as somehow promoting the supernatural and is therefore reason to teach Creationism (I'm betting only your particular Gods version) in science class is such a huge straw man I cannot fathom why any honest person could possibly go with that premise. Your stance is at best ignorant of the facts a or at worst willfully stupid. I see no reason to debate with dishonest people.... I understand that but I felt the need to clarify my original post about the connection between religion and poverty....

Could you have found a more right wing christian news letter? Does the idea of biased source mean anything to you? The Weekly Standard? I mean really? Maybe we should consult Glen Beck to get a more balanced opinion...

Damn INow, you get all the good ones....

No, i am saying the golden rule is part of human nature, if you had read the link you would have seen that virtually all human cultures have that in common, various religions co-opted the concept and convinced everyone it was part of their particular meme. And you failed to answer my second question....

As much as I disagree with certain individuals in this thread I would like to point out that religion causes poverty in the same way that sex causes syphilis. Religion takes advantage of the despair of poverty to proliferate it's meme... I doubt it could be demonstrated that religion causes poverty.

And what book specifically would that Golden rule have originated in? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Rule Please point out some specific truths that secular text books lie about....

WHAT! Women fake orgasm? Please God tell it's not true!!!!! No! Wait! Do lesbians fake orgasms?

Outrageously good post, i was too lazy to look it up for people who are unlikely to care....

The argument that atheism is morally superior or inferior to theism is a straw man, first you have to show that atheists believe in an common morality much less an objective morality then you have to show that the theists objective morality is somehow superior and then you have to show things like genocide, murder, war, plunder, rape, slavery and such are moral... I think I'll stick with atheism... so far not believing in an objective morality based on a bronze age book about myths associated with supernatural beings has served me quite well....

Seriously dude, you should live where I do for a while and see the constant turmoil of school boards trying to teach creationism as science.... or teachers refusing to teach evolution... or asshats knocking on your door every Saturday afternoon wanting to tell you why the bible it literally true and that homosexuals are possessed by demons and you are going to burn in hell... the MBE goes on forever.... they get torqued completely out of shape over a bill board that suggests that if you don't believe in god you have company but there must be hundreds of bill boards claiming everyone is going to burn in hell if you don't believe my version of a damn fairy tail..... They get pissed off and claim they are being assaulted in some way if I answer merry christmas with happy holidays, I seriously expect to see religious violence in my life time started by these stupid fundamentalists.... And yes there are lots of them and more moderate religious people are afraid to stand up and be counted because they know they will be persecuted as though they are atheists and oh yeah, you don't want to admit to being one of those immoral father rapers for sure... I am sorry A Tripolation but we live in different worlds no doubt....

I can quite easily show that in the USA a large percentage of the religious are working to establish the US as a christian nation and to teach the bible as science. Care to point out a few of those atheistic anti-science regimes? I've never heard an atheist say a unruly child should be stoned to death, or an adulterous woman, or that homosexuals should be killed , do you really want to say that religion is morally superior? Superior to what?

Please name your claimed secular culture. Again please provide some substantiation that the huns and barbarians were non-religious. Please show some evidence they promoted the furtherance of scientific study....

Another great song set to great imagery... This movie and this song literally changed my life.... How about some of that wild guitar you play dude?

Great song.... Absolutely beautiful imagery...

Ok, I'll tell the story... I was out with two other men floundering, a type of fishing you do at night from a boat by using a light to show flounders in shallow water, they come into shallow water and night, you use a spear that is known as a gig. It was 02:30 am or so and we were coming back to the boat landing speeding along in a 14 foot aluminum boat. Have you ever seen the picture that was popular on the internet that showed a boat that hit a piling head on and and split into two part back to about 5 feet from the bow? Well that was what we did, we hit a piling. Except we were in an aluminium boat. I was thrown from the boat (as was another man who was uninjured) and my left foot and lower leg practically destroyed. I sank to the bottom in about 25 feet of water, remember this was at night. I was unconscious on the bottom for an undetermined amount of time, my first memory was drifting along the bottom and feeling oyster shells scraping my back. I remember being very content to just drift along and fade away. Then I heard a voice that said "get up!" I opened my eyes and the ocean bottom was lit up bright was day all around me, again I heard the voice and it said, "getup, it's not your time, you will have a son who will be important" I tried to swim but my left leg was just flopping around but I struggled to the surface at which time the light vanished and a real nightmare began, the water was full of blood from my wounds and the pain, after I was dragged back into the boat is difficult to describe, while I was in the water I felt no pain, it took me 18 months to recover and many surgeries and i still lost my ankle and my leg is 2" shorted that it was. Now more context, my wife and I had been discussing having another child, she wanted a boy and I wanted a girl, the voice was feminine and the light could very well have been the natural phosphorescence that occurs in the ocean. i am a trained scuba diver and most of my dive time was at night and I had observed this light many times before. My diver training and the natural mammalian response to being under water unconscious kept me from drowning. Three years later we did indeed have a another son, that was 3 years later than we had planned but the accident shelved our plans for more kids at the time. And yes I was an atheist at that time.... One more point, when I first opened my eyes i remember looking down at myself laying on the bottom of the ocean.

I know for most of us the NAZI's were just evil men, psychopath is possibly too mild a word for the leaders who were really in charge but what if there was a method to their madness? What if they were really trying to practice necromancy? This short story by David Brin while totally fiction does raise the hackles on my neck.... http://www.davidbrin.com/thor1.htm

I'm gonna assume you will argue til the cows come home if I try to show the specific scripture in tiny bits and peices you'll say it's out of context or something similar, so here it is in not a bunch of small sips but an entire pitcher full of knowledge, try to drink it slowly and don't choke, if you dare of course, I am betting you have no interest what so ever in truth.... Stories you say, stories about people being healed and I assume that your almighty god can heal anything right? How about those amputees? Why doesn't god grow back their limbs? Stories, how droll, I have visited Saturn's Moon titan, I've see the vast cities made of ice as hard as granite, I've been there, it's my story.... More unconfirmed stories? I've read many near death experiences, had one myself, they prove nothing and are usually a reflection of the spiritual bias of the individual, in other words Muslims see Allah, Hindu's see Krishna, most people see nothing. You basing your belief system on what some body with an agenda tells you? Again i ask you to rise above your ignorance and educate yourself, read your holy book, really read about the psychopath you worship...

You made the assertion, you look it up, google is your friend....

That's because you failed to give a unit of measure.... 1 000 000 000 000 what? PSI, cubic feet, what?

Well then by your line of reasoning catfish should be able to hybridize with salmon, they are both fish...