Moontanman

No it's not, one is a naturalistic process the other is by definition supernatural... and no the process does not have to be repeated artificially to be confirmed....

I'm a troll... moi? BTW grandpa, if you think I'm trolling you I suggest you report me, because name calling is indeed against the rules...

Did you not read the link that went with the OT?

So instead of waiting for the study of abiogenesis to go forward, it has some really good science behind it already, you are going to go with life comes from life comes from life comes from life and so on? The fact that that answers nothing isn't a problem with for you?

The OT was something that happened 75,000 years ago, you said the youngest of the impacts was 800,000 years ago, not the same...

So no, these impacts did not occur at the same time as the human genetic bottle neck 75,000 years ago?

Not believing in ID is arrogant? Really? Give me any evidence to back up that assertion.... no wait you said possibility, the flying spaghetti monster is possible, very slim, but i can't say it's impossible, not being able to say something is impossible doesn't make it anymore possible...

To a great extent you are correct, pure breed dogs tend to be either produced by puppy mills that don't care about the disposition of the dogs or by people who are breeding for physical characteristics at the expense of everything else. Most knowledgeable dog breeders really love the breed and are careful to keep positive behavioral characteristics in the forefront of their breeds. I originally fell in love with bassets due to their happy go lucky attitude as much as their looks and after 35 years of keeping bassets I have never had a mean one and many were very intelligent and protective dogs. They tended to take care of children and be mistrustful of strange adults and to take interest in what their owners were doing most all the time. Great dogs, to me at least, but that's why there are so many breeds, personal preference, as a child i had many mongrels who displayed the same great attitudes.... but I have talked to people who sadly did get bassets with bad attitudes....

There is a television show called Dancing with the Stars but it has become Dancing with Moderately Well Known people, i hate that lame show...

Actually, i think most people who Study the ancient Egyptians think they did that on purpose... Again, I think it's thought they did that by intent... I'm not sure about this one but how does it suggest aliens? Maybe they used oil lamps?

Donkey Tail? Hmmmm.... isn't that where he started?

What i had in mind was that if you did have a method of communicating faster than light then the causality thing would only apply to observers who were limited to speed of light? Here is the thought experiment i was thinking of, lets say that I somehow construct a "radio" that communicates instantaneously. I turn it on and hear a voice and manage somehow to talk to it, i find out it is originating from the Andromeda Galaxy, we talk with no time lag, I could be so far off the mark here but indulge me a second or two more. From the stand point of relativity would we both be speaking to each other in each others future? I think Andromeda is a million light years or so away, if I had immediate access to Andromeda wouldn't mean i was talking to the guy in the past and he was speaking to me in his past? One million years in our pasts because we are one million light years from each other? Ok, now I'm really confused damn it....

I bet it's not unusual for women to think the man they slept with last night turned out to be a jackass....

http://news.yahoo.com/zimbabwean-man-claims-prostitute-turned-donkey-report-161016208.html

http://www.space.com/13416-intelligent-alien-life-extraterrestrials-signs.html?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=SP_10272011

Not only do i disagree with you on times existence I'll go one step farther and say time is so basic that nothing else can exist with out time. Most people, when they think of dimensions, start out with one, then two, and then three, and only then do they consider time. I think time is the "first" dimension and without it no other dimensions could exist...

I think he wants to be banned so he can go back to his fundamentalist friends and tell then how shabbily we treated him and how he really did show proof but we rejected it out of hand and then banned him because he wouldn't turn away from the real science of the bible, martyr complex...

This forum is most certainly tolerant of crackpot ideas, they put up with mine regularly, crackpot ideas bubble up out of me several times a day, lol...

I am a rationalist... what is a "plasma" cosmologist? The bible does indeed predict a great fire or fires when the lord comes back, but I have to point out how the bible says lots of other stuff that is simply not true or could not have happened the way the bible says, I see no reason to assign some sort of veracity to this one and ignore the others but I can say that science in no way predicts this will happen. Again please provide some evidence of this statement, i have never heard if anything even close to this idea. About three years ago i was looking for meteors during a shower, I had gone outside and sat for almost an hour and I had seen no shooting stars at all, i went inside for several minutes and i decided to go back outside, just as I looked up a really bright meteor went over head, almost lit up the sky, it was impressive, but I stood outside for 30 minutes or so and saw no more. i went inside and waited for about an hour and just before i was going to bed I stepped back outside again, i looked up and low and behold another very bright shooting star went over head just as i looked up, i thought that was a wild coincident, i wonder what the odds of that were! I did not think it was a sign from god, such a coincidence is not uncommon, and requires no act of god to happen, in fact there is no way to say it was anything but coincident, show me a real miracle, not some obvious coincidence dressed up as an act of god....

No science pursues knowledge, truth a slippery thing and often contains more of what the person thinks should be true rather than what is true and absolute truth is unlikely to even be possible but religious charlatans have no problem claiming absolute truth, usually just after telling an absolute lie as revealed truth, you are so condescending, you assume that anyone who does not agree with you has just not searched hard enough or doesn't believe hard enough, horse feathers, I was raised as a fundamentalist christian, i started asking questions when i was 8 years old, the answers were often obviously wrong even to an 8 yo and the answer I most often got was it's a sin to question god... how lame is that? Now at the age of 56, I think i gave religion an honest try, it failed... Name one of these obvious miracles please, the idea of you being here is a miracle is just silly.... This is just silly drivel, anecdotal evidence at best, self full filled prophecy for sure, you saw two shooting stars in a row and called it a miracle? I've seen hundreds in a night, I've seen huge glowing balls traveling in pairs, that is as silly as seeing a picture of jesus on a grilled cheese sandwich. So instead of giving your self credit for getting your shit together it had to be god? How droll.... Please explain what the one day equals a thousand years means in relation to the veracity of the bible.... We need to see some evidence of this, who said it, when ? a link to that info would be nice. Not only is that not a fossil it has nothing to do with fossilization... No they are not, please provide some evidence for this outrageous claim.... Most do but not your narrow world view of fundamentalism Yes this is also true No there is not, please provide instances in the bible to back up these claims... Again please give some evidence of this idea in main stream science.... None of this makes any sense in the light of mainstream science and sounds like some sort of wild speculation by people who have no clue what they are talking about. Please give evidence from the bible where it says this, chapter and verse please and give some evidence as to your idea about dark energy, a mainstream science quote from a real cosmologist would be nice...

Indeed, i also feel silly for getting into these conversations, they are not driven by anything other than the desire to proselytize one Religious persons concepts by creating so many straw man arguments and the obfuscation of what everyone else says. Aristarchus in Exile does not represent main stream religion, not protestants, catholics, or most of the denominations currently recognized. But he does have brothers in Islam, Hinduism, Seiks, Zoeastrism, and several others I can't spell off the top of my head and I don't feel like looking them up. He represents a group who worship the actual bible as god, their narrow definition of god not only limits god but also tries to say that there are only two possibilities, their idea of god or atheism, this is extremely disingenuous, most scientists are Christian, more than 90% and they either have no problem with a natural explanation of the world and are able to connect their world view with the idea of god. the other percentage of scientists adhere to other religious beliefs Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, or one of the many other religious belief systems. Most of these people have no problem with GOD acting through naturalistic means, only Creationists have that narrow view of God they seem to need to limit him to. I have no problem with faith, even unfounded faith, if it takes faith to float your boat then good for you, row away happy as you can allow your self to be. My only problem with Fundamentalism or creationism is when they try to teach these things as facts. They ignore all the events described in the bible that would be morally reprehensible today, twist the words of the bible until they are torqued out of any possible resemblance to what was actually said and cling to quite recent translations of the Bible that have demonstrably lost both meaning and actual passages in translation. The actual New Testament was "voted on" to decide how many books would be included or left out and we got four gospels out of more than 20, some say as high as 100 but only 20 or so can be verified. But it is silly to try and confirm the bible via science, in fact at first the bible was considered a science book and the church spent a great deal of time enforcing what it thought was science far past the point of forbidding anyone to check and actually punishing anyone who tried to verify reality. One of the first ideas the bible and the idea of god might not be quite as straight forward as everyone thought was Lightning. i know everyone thinks of Galileo and the idea of a Helio-centric solar system as being the first big disconnect but I think it was lightning. The idea of the sun or the earth being the center of the solar system did indeed upset the apple carts of the educated but the common man was worried about more direct effects and the idea that a man made device could prevent the wrath of god.. lightning... is I think one of the first disconnects for the common man. The idea that gods will could be thwarted is a powerful idea.

Um do you live near the Japanese nuclear power plant?

While i am sure I am wrong, your answer ignores my point, if we discover a method of communicating faster than light then light is no longer the limit to communication, wouldn't that negate the idea that you would get the response before you sent the message?

Isn't that only true if you are only able to communicate at light speed? If a faster than light signal is possible wouldn't that fact change the whole "get the response before you send it" thing?

Ancient Astronauts, if they exist, must be (or were) interacting with us on a much more subtle level than coming down and building huge megalithic buildings and religious sites around the world. Since it has been shown many times that making such large rock buildings and other sites, many of them religious, can be done over many years using thousands of, if not slaves then volunteers, even in modern times religious people do some amazing things dedicating their lives to things that seem to reinforce their belief in god or gods. I would be surprised to learn our ancestors didn't do this sort of thing. If there is any truth to ancient astronauts it's more likely they inspired the religions that inspired humans to do some of the amazing things they did. I am surprised you didn't mention the ancient astronauts selectively breeding apes for intelligence so they could use us as slaves to mine minerals they needed from the earth, the result of this genetic manipulation was us, seems just as plausible...