Moontanman

Here is airport that alleges that Israel shot down a UFO over a Nuclear power plant, should have known if anyone was going to get one it would be the Israelis... http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/6125190/israel_shoots_down_ufo_over_nuclear.html Of course they claim it was a balloon, B)

Well then someone has mislead you, radioactive dating is accurate enough for us to know the earth is at least 4.5 billion years old, that life has been here for at least 3.5 billion years, nothing iffy about it needsimprovement. If? IF? If god did create the world? If frogs had wings they wouldn't bust their little wet asses every time they jump. How the hell can if be part of a serious discussion when there no evidence of an If... If god did that then he is totally disingenuous. If the Earth is the shell of a giant turtle that would change everything... totally unfair way to discuss anything neddsimprovement, a prime example of theist's not honestly discussing the topic. No needimprovement, only in your mind is there only one standard, only in your mind...

I don't think Rigney is coming from the arrogance type of ignorance, i know where rigney is coming from in broad strokes, there are two possibilities, either you embrace the darkness or you rail against it, rigney rails against it. Jackson start a thread about terra forming, i would be glad to discuss it, i think it will not happen in the way most seem to think but I have some thoughts on the subject. Rigney, I'm not completly sure I understand your OP question, are you asking why the earth and everything resists gravity or how this resistance affects the way life evolves? ?

No cypress, it's the synergy of energy input and the properties of the particles, with no energy input the properties of the particles would not result in any sorting. If the particles were not different in some way energy input would not result in any sorting of the particles at all. Both must be there to result in order from disorder.

The heat is caused by resistance in the wire, some things conduct electricity better than others, if you force current through a resistant material you get heat.

I would have to say technically yes, but not close enough to make any real difference.

rigney, flesh and fiber evolved because these things allowed organisms to exploit food and or energy sources that either microbes couldn't or allowed them some advantage over microbes. to be honest it could be argued that microbes are still superior to flesh and fiber creatures. Microbes by far not only out number complex life forms they out mass complex life forms many times over but the complex life forms still persist. Complex life forms can only live in very limited environments, microbes can live under conditions that would instantly kill complex organisms so what is really about is competition for resources, complex animals are at the top of a food chain that is supported by an enormous amount of microbes, complex life feeds on the same stuff (energy) that microbes do, they just exploit limited resources microbes cannot do as well. Of course microbes consistently use us as a resource too...

i would say the differences between the particles and energy input of the waves, with out the energy input everything just sits but add energy and things happen, order and arrangement is driven by energy, an earth quake can sort things as easily as wave action or the heat and chemical energy of volcanoes, wind can do the same things, add energy and things happen, different particles react differently to the energy input resulting in order.

I've been beach combing for almost 40 years now, the ocean sorts out stuff by shape, size density, even species of shells. I've seen piles of telephone pole sized piling and patches of sand flour fine, to rocks as big as basket balls. Even dead creatures sorted out by size and shape, it's a fascinating process and never fails to amaze.

More on animals using drugs recreationally. http://www.pjonline.com/christmas/pj2010_723

You'll do as a goddess till a real one shows up girl, that is a great find, your friend just may have saved something important.

This article may have some bearing on this discussion. http://www.pjonline.com/christmas/pj2010_723

I would think that like most things humans will take the easy way almost every time...

I just finished reading this thread, what an incredible list of misinformation, propaganda, lies and BS. Why does the idea of drugs attract such passion? The most dangerous drugs are perfectly legal and kill far more people than all illegal drugs combined. http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/30 Annual Causes of Death in the United States Tobacco 435,000 Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity 365,000 Alcohol 85,000 Microbial Agents 75,000 Toxic Agents 55,000 Motor Vehicle Crashes 26,347 Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs 32,000 Suicide 30,622 Incidents Involving Firearms 29,000 Homicide 20,308 Sexual Behaviors 20,000 All Illicit Drug Use, Direct and Indirect 17,0001, Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Such As Aspirin 7,600 Marijuana 0 I know LSD is not mentioned on this list but it this list does clear up lots of the misinformation about other drugs mentioned either directly or indirectly in this thread.

To be honest it just tasted like flat Coke, it was warm and sweet but no carbonation other than that is tasted like Coke. It's quite possible that coke in a bottle would survive a lot longer as a carbonated drink, glass would prevent the escape of carbonation better than thin aluminum i would think. I know that food canned in glass will last many years and at least still appear to be good, i have a jar of jam my grandmother canned at least 45 years ago and it still appears the same as it did all those years ago. I have seen jelly turn to sugar crystals but as long as it's sealed it seems to be ok. I've seen tomatoes that had been canned many years ago opened and used as food

Originally the idea was that doing drugs, even if you didn't do them at work or come to work under the influence they still affected your body is such a way that made you less able to do your job. The idea that drug users were somehow high all the time was the incentive to drug test the work place not the illegality of them. I worked for Dupont for 25 years and they never drug tested me, their take was that unless what you do off site affected your job it was none of their business, just don't bring it to work. Sadly the idea that drug use was somehow harmful in some unique way that alcohol and tobacco were not is just government propaganda and this propaganda was used to convince employers, as part of the war on drugs, to test their employees, if I had a quarter for everyone I've seen come to work hung over and unable to do their job i would be rich but pot at least doesn't leave you with a hang over the next day and tobacco is not only used at work but special privileges were given to those who smoked to the point that many people actually started smoking so they could take smoke breaks like the smokers got. Now days smokers are feeling the squeeze as well as every one else but alcohol is still tolerated and often used on the job. I think it's interesting that some animals actually use drugs in a manner we would call recreational, elephants are famous as drunks, squirrels eat psychedelic mushrooms and retire to their hollow tree dens to sleep it off. There are lots of examples of at least self medication by animals if not actual recreational use of various materials we would call drugs, why do they do it? Could it be the same reasons we do?

Cypress, my hats off to you, you have presented the best argument in defense of ID I have seen. While I have little formal education I totally grasp the idea of natural processes creating information, I've experienced it in the way the ocean can sort materials. Simple random wave motions can produce some astounding examples of design, about 30 years ago i was beach combing, something I did almost every day then by walking miles of beach, one nice winter day i found a piece of brick vaguely shaped like a Valentines Day Heart. Bricks had been dumped to make a sea wall about 50 years before and the ocean in this area had been breaking down and smoothing these fist sized pieces of bricks for decades. As I walked along i found several more pieces of brick shaped like hearts but they were beginning to be closer and closer to being perfectly heart shaped. In a stretch of beach maybe 10 meters long there were many of these heart shaped pieces of brick and in the center of the stretch of beach i found several pieces of brick that were perfectly heart shaped. As I moved away from this area heart shaped pieces of brick became more rare until they disappeared completely and in a few more meters the pieces of brick disappeared completely. In that small stretch of beach not only did the ocean sort out all the bricks into a 100 meter stretch of beach the ocean sorted them by shape, one of those shapes looked like something I was familiar with. An interesting side note, an older woman who was walking near by came over to see what I was looking at and she saw the heart shaped bricks and commented "Isn't wonderful how God shaped those pieces of brick into hearts? It just shows how much he loves us" She obviously saw gods hand in the heart shaped brick pieces but does god really have to be invoked to explain information? If what i saw as information was randomly created and sorted out by the ocean in a few decades i can see natural processes creating any amount of order (which is really what should be said here instead of information) Now while this story is interesting it should also be said the ocean had sorted nearly all the brick pieces by shape as well, there were small cylinders, ovals, small spheres all sorts of regular shapes among all the irregular shapes and all of them were sorted to shape and size, even the irregular pieces were sorted as to similar shapes and sizes. Now unless god had sorted them out or aliens had sorted them out natural processes had to the the method of such order. While i commend you for your debate abilities so far you have given nothing new to the ID idea, it still totally fails and just because we can use our intelligence to design a heart and carve that heart out of stone so can the ocean with random movements and lots of time and no intelligence what so ever...

I had been wondering if that vapor contained any nicotine, makes sense that it would. When I think of nicotine delivery systems that have been used I always think of the Simsons episode where Crusty the Clown is standing in front of a mirror naked trying to find a spot on his body not already covered by a nicotine patch....

Skyhook, are you trolling or do you really not see the differences between differences recreational drugs? Alcohol is probably the worst of all recreational drugs and i can buy it at the corner zip-mart! Alcohol and Tobacco kill far more people than all other recreational drugs put together many times over. Drew Barrymores problem was alcohol, she is an alcoholic, Cannabis was not the reason she went to rehab, it was alcohol. Marijuana is not completely benign but it is far less dangerous than alcohol or tobacco, some studies actually show pot suppresses cancer. I wouldn't bet the farm on it but they have to dig pretty hard to show pot is harmful. Alcohol, tobacco, opiates, coke, meth, are extremely addictive physically. Opiate addiction is a living hell, i know because I was addicted to medically prescribed pain pills, oxycontin, it is outrageously addictive and can kill you easily. Pot on the other hand cannot kill you, you cannot over dose on Maryjane, it does not make you feel bad the next day and it is a pretty good analgesic for some types of pain, now faced with intractable pain which would you take? something that is so addictive your body craves more and more till it kills you or incapacitates you or smoke pot which isn't addictive and cannot kill you? I am not saying that marijuana is good for you or harmless but locking people up for it is just wrong, may as well lock people up for masterbation... http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/gen008.htm

It just so happens that Cannabis can be substituted for hops in beer, the THC is soluble in alcohol and it makes some kick ass beer.... http://www.onr.com/user/liberty/Marijuana/MBeer/MBeer.html

about 15 years ago i was given the task of cleaning out lockers at the Dupont site where I worked, some of them had been abandoned for more than 25 years. I found several cans of Coke and Pepsi that were more than 25 years old. They were all flat but drinkable if you were real thirsty and wanted some sugar water...

I know it's not very popular with the kids but I liked the idea of school uniforms when my boys were growing up. It would have take a lot of the craziness out of school shopping and in the mornings before school. When I was in high school everyone was wearing old torn up jeans and t-shirts and sandals but I always wore dress shirts and pants and dress shoes, even a tie when I was in the mood, yes it won me a lot of friends but the derision didn't phase me, i always like to be different in some way. BTW the idea of an armed uprising over school uniforms is so lame....

Intelligent design is totally misleading in both it's claims and it the very idea of it. if it was aliens or Canadians then who designed them? There is absolutely no evidence for ID or creationism, there is an enormous amount of evidence to support evolution. For ID to be true then one of two different things must also be true. Either the Earth was seeded approximately 4 billion years ago with microbes that had the genetic information for all the complex life on earth already in them or the designer has been monitoring life on earth since they seeded it and have been slowly adding 'design" to the life on the Earth. Either way if it was aliens then we are in their debt, i wonder what they will want in return? Of course then you have to ask who designed them, the idea of ID is morally bankrupt as any other lie used to confrim another lie. .

Intelligent design is nothing but religion dressed up as science. It is totally disingenuous to claim that intelligent design is anything but creationism masquerading as science. Loosing your job due to your beliefs is rough but do not even think that intelligent design is anything but creationism... We haven't heard any evidence from you yet new and young, just wild claims and here-say. You are making the claims, you need to provide evidence.