Moontanman

While I don't think that every reported post should be acknowledged when it is personal and one person is harassing another by questioning their intelligence, education and their rep points and insinuating their rep points are undeserved I think an acknowledgment is in line. But thats just me, and I'm an uneducated idiot so WTF.

That happens here, quite recently I have reported posts and received no response what so ever...

It's an interesting premise and the behavior of the woman is odd. I can't at this time take a side but I have seen much better evidence that some UFOs are alien space craft, at the very least there is much more evidence of aliens than time travelers but UFOs are far more likely to be faked, there seems to be a contest going to see who can make the best fake, not to mention who can debunk anything positive by assuming things, sometimes as far fetched as aliens, to debunk the evidence. I hope this is not the start of a "time traveler" era of hoaxes and debunking to see who can fool who. It's kind of like trying to use the super collider to investigate atoms and having to contend with most of the people faking data to confuse everyone else because they would like to obfuscate the results more than find anything real.

Cypress, even if, and it's a big IF, evolution has inspired people to do terrible things, it would be ridiculously easy to point out terrible things that religion has inspired people to do. What an individual does in the name of something is really not necessarily representative of what that something really is. Religion has in recent times been used to kill, rape, and molest children, do we blame religion or twisted humans? Evolution is real, lots of evidence seems to point natural selection as being the driving force behind it. So far no other driver for evolution has been supported by any evidence what so ever. ID is a joke, creationism is not science but it is pseudo science pure and simple, not because it's impossible but because there is no evidence to support it. ID or creationism has never explained any part of the natural world. every time religion has been used to explain the natural world it has failed miserably. maybe one day evidence for ID or creationism will show up, it's not like people aren't looking, but until then ID has no leg to stand on what so ever. your need for a creator is yours, you're are entitled to it but if you want to support if with anything but faith so far you have failed miserably.

I have a question, did Keith make this campaign contribution and use the fact that he made it to influence others or did he do it privately with no advertisement of it?

Yes i think it can, while at one time whales were considered fish because they lived in the ocean. The old idea of similar shapes has been refined and the DNA confirms that humans are apes in that we are a closely related group of mammals who shared a common ancestor. Why is this a problem?

Isn't that only true for FTL warp drive? I'll ask again, how about this one. http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=1324 And then there is alwasy Hiem theory... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heim_theory

Looks like an alien space craft to me.... great pics dude...

And just how are humans significantly Different than any other animal? Do cow parts interchange with other animals any better than human parts do?

If Keith Olberman's job required him not to make those contributions I can't see how he has a leg to stand on.

He asked me for a date....

The idea it might have been photoshoped is sad but a part of who and what we are. No outrageous claim can possibly be made about a picture or video with out the idea of is being a hoax being the most likely origin of such a video or picture. This means that a real video or picture would be as worthless as evidence as a photoshoped video. As we go forward it only gets worse, at some point, and that was probably years ago, no medium is useful as evidence for anything.

Where did you do this?

Falling Birth-Rate Can Bring Prosperity, Austrian Studies Suggest ScienceDaily (Nov. 3, 2010) — The population is aging -- and demographic change is also altering working life. However, according to studies by researchers at Vienna University of Technology, the effects could well be positive. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101103082304.htm

I liked the way you asked the question, i just don't have an answer for you. As for the lightning rod you have to look at it in the context of the times. Religion has changed severely since the lightning rod was invented, back then what we would call superstition was a big part of religion. Accidents befell people who deserved it for some reason, just like the king deserved his station in life due to god giving it to him, the common man like wise deserved his station in life. Devils and demons, angels and saints, spirits and ghosts, the world was full of ethereal beings bent on either our destruction or our salvation, the often used what we would call natural phenomena to cause change in the world. The lightning rod was best first example of science triumphing over dogma. Dogma held that lightning was the wrath of god, people believed it, it was taught from the pulpit if not the bible, the idea that humans could thwart the wrath of god was at the time a revolutionary idea even if now we can clearly see lightning is a natural process that can be manipulated and in many ways now, then it was an active act of god, the easiest to see and experience, the one most often thundered from the pulpit was punishment for some wrong known or unknown buy the person what was affected. The lightning rod changed all that... I know there are people who still think in terms of direct interaction by God, the old put the part of your body that is diseased on the TV while we pray and send us a check for $100 and you'll be cured sect is still alive and well but they no long hold the power of life and death of all of us. Here is a good link to the problem http://cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/White/air/rod.html

No not at all, Galileo was one man, his struggles did not cause the common man to question religion but the idea that the wrath of God could be avoided by simply hanging a metal rod on your house was profound, it marked the true turning point of science showing that religion was not the end all be all of reality.

Good point, he can't be from the USA, probably a British Imperialist

The point in time when religion and science really butted heads can be pin pointed. Until this point in time religion and science has pretty much been ok with each other, there had been a few skirmishes about the sun, the earth, the moon, and planets and how they moved but that had been mostly an intellectual exercise with neither side really suffering due to it. but the real point at which religion really found it's self unable to explain why science was right and religion was wrong was the..... Lightning Rod! Yes the lightning rod, with a simple metal rod you could thwart the will of God! Up until then it was widely taught that lightning was definite proof of gods wrath and anyone who suffered a stroke of lightning was being punished by god! (of course the sin of the occasional Oak tree that was blasted out of existence was unexplained as was the fact that the church steeple was the most likely Building to be hit by lightning) Any man could by simply installing a lightning rod to keep God from striking his house or place of business. Of course to us today this seems silly but at the time it was a real problem for religion and some churches claimed it was sacrilegious to install a lightning rod because it interfered with god and his ability to punish people. But the common mans desire to not be struck by lightning prevailed and slowly the use of lightning rods spread around the world, finally showing up in church steeples... BTW good post Lemur, @ #14

Maybe we can get the war between the states heated back up! The rude, aggressive, Yankee Patriots vs The mannerly, gentile, Southern Loyalists ARE YOU READY TO RUMBLE?

I think you have hit the nail on the head, I know that many theists give me a look like I'm brain damaged when they find out my faith is somewhat limited, much the same look i give them when they try to convert me...

I have to agree severian, disagreements is one thing but to be disgusting is quite another. Everyone has to draw limits, i draw mine somewhere before the skull comes into play much less a lizard having sex with it... "people are strange"

It's all that ydoaP guys fault, he did it...

I think there are definite differences in the way the two groups thinks, the religious need a yes-no, white-black, right-wrong, type existence, the less religious to atheistic don't need total certainly in life and can deal with a world of less certainty that changes as new knowledge comes in.