Moontanman

So you prove your point by ignoring anyone who mounts an argument you cannot deal with?

If we in our society allowed or encouraged sexual contact between adults and children it would not be the same society as we now see it. I am quite sure it would differ from ours in many ways, some would be very scary to us. Most scenarios of adult child sexual contact revolves around violence and the death or at least physical harm to the child. The idea of the child snatched away from it's parents for reasons of the destruction of the child are almost the only way we can think of it. I have sever doubts about the idea that somehow 18 is a magical age that allows children to be adults. Puberty would seem to be a more reasonable age if you take into account natural human sex drives of the post pubescent. Birth control, instead of being an evil thing as some religions make it to be would seem to be more of a way to return to a more natural mode of human sexual behavior. Of course it hasn't resulted in that and since the idea of pregnancy is no longer a realistic reason to avoid sex we use almost any argument we can think of to warn children away from the sexual desires they naturally have. We us everything from saving it for your husband, as though it is a special commodity and males are told early on to look for that virgin bride and that girls who have sex are bad investments for our love and emotions, sluts, whores, loose, the number of terms we have to negatively describe a sexually active but unmarried woman goes on for quite a while Of course men need these loose women to gain sexual expertise for the virgin we will eventually marry. The idea that men need this virginity for love or even marriage to be real is a big if misdirected part of our society The idea that the sexual inexperience of the child is some how something that should be saved for someone special in the distant future and not the child's choice is lacking in any real support anywhere but in the minds of people who want that innocence. The idea that a child's innocence is worth something is not a demonstrable reality, it is in fact the result of religion, female slavery, and males need to know for sure a child is his own. The male need to own a woman and control her is deeply rooted in our society, not all societies but ours for sure. Children are allowed to do many dangerous things, i recently saw where a young girl was trying to sail around the world, outrageously dangerous, i was allowed to ride motorcycles at age 14, i saw one other child die in front of me while riding. Children die every day from dangerous recreational activities but the number of people going hysterically nuts at the though of this is very small compared to what happens when an adult has any sort of sexual contact with a child. I know there are scenarios where sexual contact with a child is not harmful in any way close to the hysteria it often invokes. i think it should be looked at from the idea that if we we see the idea of protecting a child from anything that will impact them in the future we really need to look closely at what we allow to happen to a child. A child can be trained to do anything, as in adults some are easier to train than others and all react differently to what we as adults teach them. If we really take the care of other peoples children seriously (we of course all treat our own the way they should be treated) then we need to take a hard look at things everyone seems to think are sacred cows as far as children are concerned, if teaching a child about sex by lets say demonstration is a horrible thing that can only have negative impact then how about teaching a child to hate? Teaching a child Nazism, or white supremacy or black supremacy, or any other negative social system doesn't seem to illicit similar hysteria, we all say "that's not right, poor child, someone should do something" but the fact remains as long as it's not sex we can train our children to do and be some pretty horrible things but add sex and it becomes a crime beyond any possible pale.... a weird thing if you really put your intellect to it.... From child soldiers to child workers our world revolves around the exploitation of children and other helpless people only when sex is added does it suddenly become a fate worse than death. While the idea of sex with a child illicits the same response from me it does from others i wonder how much of the perceived danger is real and how much is just our internal religious programing, if the idea of a child soldier doesn't bring the same level of hysteria then something is wrong...

I have no doubt that some sightings do indeed resemble that sort of thing but that again is still a small subset of UFO sightings and it does not cover even a tiny number that need to be taken seriously, that doesn't necessarily mean they are aliens space craft but something really unusual is behind these things, some do indeed leave behind physical effects a few are so inexplicable it's difficult to imagine what they were with out taking into the possibility the accounts were something not of this earth.... To show the Air Force and the way they have dealt with it... One "sighting" occurred over a nuclear missile base, people on the ground (several independent groups from several independent directions) saw the UFO as it moved slowly over the missile silos, it was seen as it left the area by a commercial airplane crew, then the crew of a B-52 bomber, it was tracked on ground radar and the radar of the B-52, it was visually seen by the crew of the bomber as a physical object Huge, as big as if not bigger than the B-52, not a light in the sky. It was seen near the ground as a physical object as it hovered over missile silos, missiles went dead in the silos as it moved over head, the official explanation? Everyone saw Venus.... It may well have been something more mundane than a alien space craft but Venus? Piss on me if you must but don't tell me it's raining...

Damn, just what I needed to hear, my son is back packing across Europe right now, my sphincters are all tightly closed as it is ....

Lights in the sky is not what the UFO phenomenon is about... The fact that most people think this is due to the very successful disinformation campaign by the US Air Force... That is one very small subset of the UFO phenomenon. From sightings of multiple witnesses compounded by multiple radar sightings and visuals by a group of aviators who were carrying nuclear weapons the UFO phenomenon has never really been investigated, only debunked at any cost by the US Air Force, this disinformation campaign by the US Air Force still poisons the well of UFO evidence to this day.

The moon is a giant space ship that brought all of humanity here 6000 years ago....?

You of course are indeed welcome to your personal opinion but as i have said in earlier posts, i am a Dad if I had found an adult having sex with one of my children he would have come to a bad end for sure. But it doesn't explain why our society blows sex far out of proportion to any real life effects it might have and allows us to train our children in other ways that are very harmful, the children of the Westburro Baptist Church come immediately to mind...

Yes, a grounded wire mesh will stop EMP, as will enclosing stuff in a meal box. The flash of gamma rays would be the worst long range effect of a nuke...

The first thing that comes to mind is that the Bering Strait isn't the only source of warm water that enters the Arctic Ocean, to completely control this you would also have to dam up both sides of Greenland at least. Blocking off the water flow might preserve the ice but it would also threaten the lives of all the animals that need to migrate from the Pacific Ocean or the North Atlantic Ocean to the Arctic Ocean and this would cause at as least bad if not worse problems for wild life... You might save a few polar bears but you would loose seals, walruses, whales, fish, krill... the list goes on and on... Dams are always a bad idea for wild life...

Shocking revelation: Former Air Force personnel disclose UFO, alien-related threats http://www.necn.com/09/27/10/Shocking-revelation-Former-Air-Force-per/landing.html?blockID=319245&feedID=4213 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okMQq5gJ77E

I think it's important to ask "Can we say an event has no cause?" How can we know an event has no cause?

I'm not so sure Marat's reasoning is warped, parents can insist on making their kids do some pretty shitty things, dangerous mind destroying things but sex is somehow worse than worse. Sex seems to have a special place in the hearts of most people, quite low on some even though they enjoy it themselves they cannot recommend it for anyone else. Sex has often been termed the "fate worse than death" for much of even the twentieth century the idea of sex as worse than death was the popular gestalt. Any woman who gave into sex outside of marriage was fatally flawed but men who managed to play around was a "real man" sex has never been realistically interpreted or portrayed, even masturbation is often condemned as harmful in some way. Sex occupies a special place in our society and the harm it does is blown far out of any reasonable proportion to any realistic harm it could do... i am quite sure there are many things it is legal and even thought to be good for kids that are far more harmful than sex. if society says it's ok to work kids in the mines because they are small and can fit in the small holes then it becomes ok to do so but suggest sex and you will be automatically a pariah, you can do some wild stuff to kids and get by with it, from mental abuse to turning them into psychopaths, you can teach them to hate, to be racist, to despise anyone who believes different than you. You can program your kids to do almost anything but have sex, you can teach them that sex is a fate worse than death, you can teach them that homosexuals are worthless pieces of shit that deserve to be killed. you can teach them to be Nazi's but sex is out of the question. just try to teach your kids that masturbation is a good thing and let them tell their teacher and see what happens. if you are lucky you will not quite loose custody but count on visits from the child services...

Back off? I never back away from the truth...

First of all the idea that it has to be genes just shows your own misunderstanding of the issue, this is not an on off switch, it is not black and white, right or wrong, sexuality is a range of things, most people fall somewhere in the gray zone, very few people are exclusively homosexual or heterosexual. Most human beings can and will respond sexually to the same sex or opposite sex, some of the effects are hormonal changes that happen in the womb and have nothing to do with genes, some of the effects are genetic but have a hormonal component as well. it didn't take me long to find link to this... http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/comingoutadvice/a/Causes.htm Your interpretation of the twins research is flawed, here is the real indications... So you think that a religious paper is going to have info that might unseat their own world view? the very substance of the article is misleading, the idea of a gay gene that causes homosexuality is just an extension of the on off idea I told you about earlier. There is no specific gay gene, there are many human characteristics that have no single gene, there doesn't not have to be "a gay gene" for it to be something that is not a choice nor does it have to be over whelming, and I ask you why,m if it was a choice then why would anyone choose to be gay, to be treated like shit your whole life by people who have no clue, to be denied Gods love, to be hated by society in general? You and your defending link make no sense.. http://www.thetech.org/genetics/ask.php?id=155 No both articles did not support genetics as the cause, i suggest you read them again... Your personal life has no bearing in this discussion , you could be a flaming homosexual and still be wrong in this case... One anecdotal data point does not a bell curve make... Yes you did, you equated homosexuality and smoking in this post... As are many heterosexuals, especially those involved in religion and in making sure gays do not have the same rights as others... being promoters of an agenda does not mean they cannot put that agenda aside when necessary ... what would be your point? Totally anecdotal, not only does the vast majority of research disagree with you i have never had a homosexual person tell me they chose to be homosexual... I doubt you even know what that means... Why would allowing gays to serve in the military with out hiding it but making them stick to the same rules as everyone else make them any more of an organized movement than the people trying to keep them from serving?

Where I live you can't dig down more than a few feet with out hitting ground water. I am betting that your dig will encounter ground water way before you hit 100 feet much less 1000 feet. Getting rid of ground water is a problem in almost all digging projects. So some really powerful pumps to get rid of ground water will be a must for sure...

In the past most cases of SHC were thought to be supernatural or inexplicable in some way, most cases were not investigated throughly simply because no one could fathom a way the fire could have done what it does. This resulted in all the cases being less than well investigated. How ever it is possible for this to happen by accident, the idea of homicide and the mechanism by which this works has given a new dimension to SHC . I am quite sure that there are some cases that are simply accidental but it is now known that it isn't some sort of mysterious process outside the normal nature of fire and flesh, it can be replicated, and that it can be and has been shown to be homicide. Once this has been shown to be homicide then all other cases become suspect.. Just because all the cases touted in the literature about the mysterious SHC seem to have no motive doesn't mean none have or than even the classic ones didn't have some motive. It was assumed at the time that it was impossible for the fire to have been set by humans, the fire was thought to be impossible and have no possible explanation, now we know better and this moves it back into the realm of real life and real life fires generally have a cause. In many cases the most probable cause is homicide, accident is also possible but mysterious it is not...

I got it from you, you stated the comparision in the other thread... Again i ask you, what makes you think the military would be turned into a gay bar if homosexuals were officially allowed in the military, you made the assertion, now back it up or shut up... Your homophobic world view might make it look this way but that not how it happens, the idea that homosexuality is learned behavior has been shown to be false over and over, only in your mind does it explain homosexuality... BTW you have written quite a bit on this subject every time it comes up, never anything but your homophobic opinions but still quite a bit of it... Well you are welcome to your opinion but your opinion is not supported by evidence, can you really say you were not told what you wanted to hear by the people involved? Well you covered them all for sure, sad you don't have clue... Why do you think that Charlie will be making out with his bunk mate? As I have stated before sex on base should be against the rules, heterosexual or homosexual or is coming home finding Charlie fucking a female service member not as bad? Yes i noticed that you have no problem with homosexuals as long as they keep and know their small place in society, mighty white of you Jackson, mighty white of you... Then why did you bring it up as a reason not to allow gays in the military? Yes skin color and sexual orientation do have something in common, you are born that way, end of discussion! Again i ask what does that have to do with gays in the military? I am not talking about opinions here Jackson, real science, real scientific studies not some small talk in a bar. No i am not offering personal opinions, real science has studied these things, I have offered proof in other threads, you on the other hand only have your opinions, anecdotal evidence at best, you are making the claims about gays lets see you back up your assertions with something other than "IMO"

Marat, can you say homicide? Homicide is at least suspected in many cases, the idea is that ethanol (liquor) is used as an accelerant and the victim is unconscious. Most of the people who are involved are black out drunks. Now this can also happen without the accelerant but many cases are now thought to be attempts to cover up murder and the accelerant just makes it easier. This has been documented, people have woke up on fire, it doesn't work all the time but it is good to cover up murder. The person you want to get rid of, usually an elderly relative who is a drunk, you kill them in some way, pour a little bit of liquor on them to make sure it works, set them on fire and leave. Several hours later someone finds a partially burn up corpse. The perfect homicide, or at least it used to be, now they consider it homicide and investigate things a little bit further than they used to but if the body is burnt up bad enough and the police force is less than CSI Las Vegas you might get away with it... It will work without an accelerant but liquor is one of the few things it's difficult to detect as an accelerant, especially since the person is already drunk to begin with... and no an autopsy of ashes will not tell if the person was killed a few minutes before you set them on fire...

Actually it's the clothing that allows the wick effect to work but yes once started it burns until it runs out of fuel, the fat of the body... it should be pointed out it is very slow, low temperature burn, in the few cases where the flame as been observed it is described a low yellow flame, almost like a very large candle with a very sooty greasy flame...

The wick effect has been shown to explain almost all modern examples of so called spontaneous human combustion. In many cases homicide is thought to be the main cause of these cases of human burning up. The wick effect has been shown to work on animals as well as people and can be reproduced by wrapping a pig in a cloth and dousing the cloth with ethanol and lighting it up. It results in the same sort of very slow burning and burn injuries said to be mysterious in the human combustion cases. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_human_combustion

I just read "The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo" trilogy, great read... Im getting ready to read, "The Years Best Science Fiction" 27th Annual edition... but mean time I'm reading "Season of the Spellsong" by Alen Dean Foster... just to keep busy...

Actually no, rivers carry water that is slightly salty, generally not salt enough for us to taste it but salty enough for us to measure it but it varies widely, The Colorado river is very saline, the Amazon is generally very soft, it should be noted there are other chemicals we are talking about besides sodium chloride, everything that makes sea water "sea water" is carried to the sea by erosion. Most people can tell the difference between sea water and water that is just salted to the same concentration with pure sodium chloride. Fish certainly can and pure salt water does not support ocean life... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seawater

Jackson33, so far you have equated Homosexuality with smoking as though second hand homosexuality is passed on through contact. (please expand on this idea) Fear of turning the military into a gay bar (please explain) Fear of Homosexuals imposing their preference on every one else (please explain) Asserted that homosexuality is learned behavior (this has been shown over and over on these forums to be false, either stop asserting it or show some proof other than "you talked to someone who is gay") Asserted that signing up to be in the military some how says you do not have to deal with homosexuals in any way (please explain why the military should be the last bastion of society where a man can hide from homosexuals) Asserted that having gay soldiers would piss off the enemy if they believe homosexuality is immoral (please explain, do gay soldiers wear pink uniforms? ) Then you showed how easy social change in the military is easy, Eisenhower just integrated by saying that was the way it would done... If it can be done for black people then why can't it be done for gay people? So far i have seen no one who asserts that overt gay behavior should be allowed any more than overt sexual behavior between heterosexuals should be allowed. Can you back up any of this stuff ?

It should be pointed out that the salts in sea water are recycled by plate tectonics as well, ocean water follows the ocean floor as it is subducted, this ocean water is what makes the subducted rack and debris melt at lower temps allowing magma to form and exit in volcanoes. Subducted rock saturated with sea water is one of the things that allow plate tectonics to work...