Moontanman

Correct me if I'm wrong; I said "correct me, not boil me in oil," but didn't The Catholic church actually come together after the year 300 and before that there were many smaller competing Christian communities that based at least some of their teachings on Gospels that were eventually banned. i don't think it would be correct to say that Jesus actually established the Catholic Church, The Catholic Church that resembled something we would recognize didn't come into being until 325 at the Council of Nicaea when most of the competing gospels were rounded up and destroyed and the ones we have now were declared as the only true gospels. it was cut down from hundreds to four. Some of the competing churches were http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism http://touritaly.org/magazine/400yrs02.htm further incorporation resulted in Christs message almost being lost... Since Jesus was long dead before the church was established wouldn't it be less than true to say it was directly started by Jesus and more started by Rome with the elimination of competition by Rome? The pagans i write sermons for seem to think that Catholicism is nothing but paganism dressed up to look like a male version of paganism, with all the saints having direct counterparts in the pagan faith, even to the birth of the daughter of the goddess and various other saints being equal to beings in the Pagan group, even things like easter bunnies and Christmas trees really being disguised Pagan rituals and objects, of course a main difference is that Pagans must swear to never use their power to harm any one and pagans never prosetiltize... Oh yeah, Many Pagan rituals involve nudity and sex as they reconfirm the seasons of the year by bringing you virgins together to have sex in the name of the goddess with everyone looks on and then everyone else getting in on it too after they are finished fertilizing the new seasons... Lots of herbs, spices and flat bread is offered to the goddess as sacrifice, big bonfire and nekked dancing afterward as well.... natural objects are often sacred, really large trees and deep forests,,, reminds me i need to get my cinnabar stone recharged,,,,

I do, very much so, no doubt... None of the above rant has any basis in reality what so ever, you keep assuming straw men so your desire to debunk evolution makes sense but if you remove the false assumptions evolution makes more than just sense, it is simply put the way things work. Your false assumptions only serve to make your argument weaker.

Even if I wasn't already aware of the way the "church" deals with people who disagree with them and the way they have dealt with other cultures not to mention the totally disingenuous way they twist and bend reality to fit their own agenda our conversations have been enough to convince me that allowing the church to decide whether anything is true or false is a big mistake... for me personally and for humanity as a whole... The church is a prime example of why things need to have evidence for proof and why religion cannot be allowed dictate anything about reality what so ever...

Yes but how do we know when it's God's Holy Spirit guiding the believer and how do we tell when it's just a nut case who wants to control others through his interpretation of scripture?

Needimprovment, you are like a bank robber using other bank robbers as a source of information to show that robbing banks is a good thing... You accuse me of the very things you are doing, you never defend your ideas with anything other than religion and belief. You choose to ignore any data offered that shows your religious in a bad way and you do your best to gloss over any accounts of anything you cannot ignore. Specific points I have made you have failed to address Your religion is no better than anyone else's. You belittle and denigrate any other religion and anyone who believes it by belittling and denigrating their ability to believe. You ignore the horrific things the church has done to other cultures by claiming those accounts were reported by anti catholics, how sad, you back up lies with even more lies. You have no idea how science works yet you make claims about certain theories that you think might support your religion. You then do your best to belittle any other science that disagrees with your pet theory. After loosing the battle you then turn and attack the person you are arguing with because you cannot win via better evidence for your argument. Very sad but typical of the ultra religious mind set.

yes but even if there were no athiests to point it out there would still be no Gods.

I disagree, I think the Lord of the Rings is divinely inspired discribes real people and places and is meant by God to replace the Bible, and it's a bettor read and how could god have inspired such a boring read like the bible? Equivocation a fallacious argument that uses both sides of the asserters mouth so he can contradict himself and assert two different things are true to confuse his fellow discussion members so they give up and throw in the towel... BTW, who's interpretation of what the bible is trying to tell us do we take as truth? There seems to be an awful lot of mouth pieces out there claiming to speak for god when these things need to be explained. They might have been able to consider the truth instead of a fairy tale... but of course they were stupid old Timey folks and had to lied to before they could understand...

It feels so good to have won so handily the opponent just can't go on!

we use seismic waves to make pictures of the inside of the earth and to gain information about what materials are there, much like a sonogram of your body by doctors or an xray.

A parasite, by definition, is bad for the host, the idea that the Earth is one huge organism is called the Gaea theory, using that definition i think humans would e more like a cancer than a parasite. The idea of humans being sent predisposes there is someone who sent us here. i see no evidence of this at all.... I also see no reason to think humans are the "prime species" what do you mean by this?

I suggest you start a new thread in speculations and explain how homosexuality is destroying society. As Mr. skeptic explained you haven't been here long enough to post in the religion section... If you had read the rules you would have known that...

Reformed homosexual? What exactly does that mean? This is not as I have pointed out the place to discuss any of this, I suggest you read the rules and find the correct places to post your assertions.... You keep saying you are a Jesuit, are you a priest? BTW, you have no idea about what I have or have not done, trying to insult me or belittle me is not going to help your argument.

So far, in your first posts, all I've seen you do is sew discord and make broad assertions about things that have been discussed here many times. You assertions about homosexuality were not only simplistic but demonstrably wrong and would add nothing but yet more misinformation to a subject you obviously know nothing about. i suggest you search the forum for the proper threads to introduce subjects and look to see if those subjects have already been covered. Again I'll say this is not the place to proselytize your religion, nor is it the place to criticize those of us who do not agree with your religion...

I am curious 7th, why are you trying to promote your religion on a science forum? Shouldn't you be presenting this on a religion forum? The religion section of this site is not for promoting religion...

Don't worry rigney, I'm a trained life guard and open water diver, I won't let you drown.... Although some others I might hold their heads under.....

Ok, i did the CWShredder and it said I had no problem, McAfee said it was CoolWebSearch and that it could only disable it, possibly it removed it as well. Next time it pops up I'll do the CWShredder again instead of letting McAfee disable it, thanks Cap'n

I seem to have picked up a spy program that McAfee cannot remove. When I do a virus scan it picks the problem up but it cannot remove it. McAfee says it disables the problem but it cannot remove it and everytime i run a scan it picks it up again as active. Here is what it says the problem is HKLM\system\currentcontrolset\enum\root\legacy_zesoft Is this a problem I need to take further steps to remove?

I have to admit that if you going to go with religion, needimprovement has the right idea, i loath his constant proselytizing, and his backing up his assertions with just more assertions and the only evidence he ever gives is nothing but more assertions by people who agree and believe.... BUT I have to admit that is the way religion works, you have to believe it totally for it to work, no sneaky pretending till you see hell fire and then suddenly becoming a good Christian will work, according to most religions of the Christian, Jewish, Muslim traditions you have to really believe for it to work, you can't just keep the possibility in mind as an insurance policy and as Skeptic pointed out, "the dead know nothing" until the resurrection you will not know anything, you will be dead, although i think Catholicism ignores that scripture in favor of hold things like purgatory over the heads parishioners so they will stick around and support the church so they can get their loved one out of purgatory, i wonder how much money that takes in the long run?

If I remember and understand the message of religion, your idea is no better than being a straight up atheist, either you totally believe or you burn, no sticking one toe in to see if it's hot before you decide... In other words, once you die, there's no time to turn before you burn....

I do not need to prove you wrong, you are still using the Straw-Man argument that life came about by randomness, if you had taken time to read across this forum you would know that assumption is simply not true and is generally used by YECs to mislead those who do not understand the mechanisms of Physics, Chemistry and the universe...

May the Moon Goddess forgive your misogynist religious claims and allow you to see the truth one day, maybe she will send one of her Faeries to heal your obviously wounded mind....

No, we were discussing the necessity of proving things, you seem to think your version of reality requires no proof but every one else's does.... In other words, no you cannot provide any evidence other than the assertions of your religion that it is true... So far you have failed miserably to show you assertions have any support other than your beiefs... I know many people who believe quite fervently that they are correct you are wrong both inside the Christian religion and outside it, not to mention totally out side the monotheistic traditions. You have nothing to stand on but myths, your myths are no better than the Norse gods, the Celtic gods, European pagans, Hindus, Raelians, Scientologists or Mormons. if you want to claim other wise it is indeed up to you to show some evidence that is not simply part of your own belief system. I am on PM right now with long time friend from India who is Hindu, he doesn't give your religion any more weight than you give his and he believes it just a surely as you do, his religion dates back to well before yours as well... as do many other religions.... so you are just another Johnny come lately . Prove it with something other than your own claims and the claims of your religion. Arguing in circles is not proof or evidence of anything... Just more proselytizing None the less it is just your belief, it's only evidence is that belief, nothing but a circular argument. Nothing but more patting each other on the back and telling each other how awesome your beliefs are, totally incestuous and irrelevant. All you are doing is proselytizing your own beliefs, you have no more evidence for yours than any one else has for theirs. your constant assertion that your beliefs are true while others are superstitions is disingenuous at best and intentional lies at worst.

The idea that everything you have suggested is random is not true, your disbelief is directed at a straw-man. No one is asserting life, or intellegence, came to be by randomness so your disbelief is misplaced at best and at worst an attempt to mislead but of course you are welcome to believe what ever it takes to float your boat... neither belief nor disbelief has ever changed reality...

Well when you are dead, you are dead, no eternity of wondering what happened.... No wondering about anything, just nothing, the universe is neatly divided into three parts, before I existed, while I existed, and after my existence, my awareness only applies to one of those time periods....