Moontanman

swansont, i have not asserted that every time a cross shows up it is a religious symbol when i type a t I don't think Christian, but in the context of this thread, the Latin crosses used in the contexts were are discussing, it is indeed a religious symbol. No human who has been raised in our culture would look at a Latin cross used as a memorial and think lower case t, they always think religion, almost always the Christian religion.

In Heinlein's book "Glory Road" he had dragons that belched a gaseous substance that ignited from some rocks that catalyzed the reaction, the dragons chewed the rocks to obtain this substance, their breath was terrible and when they belched at you you got to smell the stuff before it ignited, if gave you a chance to jump out of the way of the soon to come flame.

Does the dragon have to spray out flames? How about a really poisonous gas?

I agree, the flames would fry the tissues of the dragon if the flame ignited inside his body. that's why i proposed spraying some sort of catalyst out through his salivary glands so the methane would ignite after it mixed with the air. The hydrazine producing bacteria are way cool, has to be some way of including them in this scenario!

How would you propose we gather that energy? if we disrupted the flow of the gulf stream it would have very bad consequences for the environment. But if you can see how it could be done with out the bad consequences I'd like to hear it.

Well all animals produce some methane in their digestive systems, herbivores more so than carnivores but who says dragons have to carnivores? They could at least be omnivores and the belches could be stored inside their digestive tracts. The catalyst you have me on, platinum is a catalyst for hydrogen and oxygen, i have no idea if it would work for methane and oxygen, maybe he could have platinum teeth coverings?

They are native to our planet? They have been here as long as we have? They ? Care to elaborate on where THEY came from? While I admit the evidence of aliens is subject to argument at the very least, "They" in the way you are using it makes no sense ot me. Merged post follows: Consecutive posts merged Well actually the fossilized heads of proto-ceratopsin dinosaurs were once thought to be evidence of Griffons. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griffin Merged post follows: Consecutive posts merged Yes, i am, the object looks like technology to me, it has three glowing lights, portholes, a gun, and a round hull with a round protrusion on it. You seemed to think that looking at the picture of the man and the dog looking at it in the sky caused people to think UFO so i took it out of the picture so it can be seen independent of any external leading images. Peach pit? ydoaPs, are you so much a skeptic that you would reject any image as either too little info or too good to be true? What do you think of this image? Or this one Or this one Or this one Or this one Notice all but one of these pictures were taken way before the idea oif "flying saucers" had hit the popular media and way before the frenzy of hoaxes had started. "Lights in the sky?" I don't think so.

Swansont, none of these crosses we are discussing are examples of the Latin alphabet, no one goes around setting up lower case t's because they like the Latin alphabet. To insinuate they do is being totally disingenuous. Crosses when used in this way this one is being used crosses are always religious symbols, I'll buy not necessarily a Christian symbol but a religious symbol none the less. The only way this cross could be justified is if it was accompanied by the religious symbols of everyone else who died in that war. At the very least the top three or so should be included, on an individuals grave I see no problem as long as every individual gets the proper symbol.

A large lizard could belch methane and have a catalyst spray into the stream from his salivary glands as it leaves his mouth.

I guess you could be correct, i mean there must be lots of reasons people would want to set up a huge lower case t in the desert on top of hill so everyone can see it. Literacy maybe? Do they set up other letters around the world so every one will know the alphabet? Maybe they are trying to teach the space alien visitors their letters?

I said I believe in the possibility of it, I know where it is not, not where it is.

Then at least we agree on one thing.

This would be greatly dependent on whose definition of favorable you were using don't you think?

I think there is the possibility of absolute truth, but you will not find it in religion or the bible or any other supernatural teachings.

Obtaining that piece of metal to start with is the real problem. Even a hydrogen world would not have much in the way of native iron, and it does take heat to make steel. Although pure iron would be more common than the earth. With out a source of heat i doubt very seriously they would have anything even like the industrial revolution much less electronics.

Recycling nuclear waste will make what we call waste valuable fuel. http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf04.html These reactors would be able to use reprocessed waste or actually use fuel completely up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_breeder_reactor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_IV_reactor Then there are Thorium reactors. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium

Stupidity is always bad.

That stage already happened on the Earth, it's called the stone age... we are talking about going further than the stone age, i should have clarified metal tools i guess but we already did that at the beginning of the thread.

Yes, almost by definition a world large enough to have a hydrogen atmosphere would have active geology but using a lava to make tools would seem to not be possible.

Swansont are you actually suggesting any of the crosses we have been discussing are lower case t's? Is the cross on the mountain or in the grave yards just lower case t's? I googled Latin cross, no where was it mentioned as a lower case t, in all cases it had religious significance of some sort and the Latin cross was specifically defined as a Christian cross. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross Notice it does not say Latin cross or crux ordinaria also known as the Christian cross. http://www.seiyaku.com/customs/crosses/latin.html If I understand the rule here you need to quantify your assertion that a Latin cross is not necessarily a Christian symbol with something other than your assertion.

God? I thought we were talking about aliens, I doubt aliens have any need or desire to protect us from anything. if contact with aliens has produced our ideas about God i would think the contacts were meant more to experiment with how to control and influence us for their own benefit. .

Seriously, you need to read the rules, "I read it somewhere" is not the way this works, you are the one who needs to look it up, not me.

Oh yeah? On what? Please provide more than just a blind claim.

Well the link I provided says a Latin Cross is by definition a Christian cross and while I would like to believe you are correct it would be good to see something besides your assertion that my link is mistaken.

Here is the disclosure projects take on what Hawkings said. http://www.disclosureproject.org/response-to-hawking.htm http://www.disclosureproject.org/index.shtml Merged post follows: Consecutive posts mergedCan you elaborate why you weren't surprised that project sign saw evidence of extraterrestrials and project grudge didn't?