Moontanman

There is a huge disconnect between the truth and being right in our society. It's far easier to find someone who will tell you what you want to hear than it is to look for the truth. The truth has become an embarrassment to many people's world view but instead of changing their world view they look for someone who is shouting their beliefs loudly and join in by trying to change reality by disregarding the truth in favor of feeling good about what they believe. No matter how many people tell you the Earth is flat, it never will be, reality is never decided by popularity, belief, or the need to be correct.

I am sorry insane_alien, I didn't mean to suggest there was anything to the myths. I was suggesting that the OP was probably connected with the writings that made those claims. Much of this anti-gravity silliness is connected with some writings that had to do with Atlantis and vimanas and all sorts of made up silliness that really were not honest translations of the myths.. At one time, many many many years ago I read all I could about those writings that claimed a high tech civilization some time about 12 to 15 thousand years ago. I found out that most of the information was at best exaggerations of many times copied and translated myths that had no evidence of being anywhere near that old. The best than can be said of most of the translations is that they were imaginary. I am quite sure many were just damn lies made to sell books to gullible you men like me

Well that was my point, I knew it couldn't be a gas or a plasma much less superconductive. This sounds vaguely like some reports of so called space craft described in Veldic myth supposedly powered by rotating vats of liquid mercury. These myths have about as much to support them as the OP http://www.hallofthegods.org/2009/03/ancient-spacecraft-on-moon.html

There some possibilities for life not as we know it. Not knowing of course means this is all conjecture but here are some possibilities. http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/B/boron-based_life.html Boron is chemically flexible enough to make Bucky ball like structures quite easily but it is also quite rare compared to carbon. More possibilities here http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/A/ammonialife.html http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/S/siliconlife.html http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/N/nitrogen-based_life.html http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/P/phosphorus-based_life.html http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/A/alternative_forms_of_life.html

This statement is nonsensical, To be a plasma a substance has to at least at a temp higher than it's boiling point, at that temperature and pressure Mercury would be a liquid. How do you accelerate a plasma to 50,000 rpm? How is a plasma superconductive? The whole premise needs to be supported by something other than this statement. Again i say it's a distortion of the Stealth blimp rumors that have been going around. A stealthy blimp? Possible, a nuclear powered anti-gravity craft? Unlikely to say the least.

Yes, most definitely!

This global warming thing is a strange concept, i don't doubt the Earth is getting warmer, i don't doubt it's primarily driven by human activity. I do doubt the Earth is supposed to be colder or has a set point that is supposed to benefit us or even complex life in general or life at all. I do believe life has an effect in the feed back mechanism that controls the earths set point but to say the Earth has to be a certain temp is the height of hubris and ignores a half a billion years of temps that were much warmer and much colder than now. Yes we are driving the temps right now but that could change, if we actually reversed the CO2 content and went back to pre human level we might be under a mile of ice for all we know. The earth is not set for us, it is simply what it is. We should do our best to be as small as possible as a driver of climate, mostly because we do not really know how to control such a complex thing. It's like flying an airplane and not having a clue as to how to do it. at best you make as few and as small changes as absolutely necessary.

I honestly wonder if given the chance people would eventually tire of such things and pursue the serious. i am sure there are people who would never grow out of childhood but I am just a sure that most would. As things are now most people are forced to grow up by outside imposed time tables but given the chance i think most people have internal time tables that would eventually kick in. Did anyone get my reference to Colossus?

This is the voice of World Control. I bring you peace. It may be the Peace of Plenty and Content or the Peace of Unvaried Death. Colossus

I seen some claims of aircraft like this but they are characterized as stealth blimps not nuclear powered physics busting craft. I think a rumor has gotten out of hand.

When you are old and broken down running hurts.....

You haven't said that, you have said we should believe in the supernatural instead of looking for natural explanations. If we had simply assumed Ra to always be god would we have ever stumbled across the real nature of the sun? I think not. Neither, we should follow the evidence, if we hadn't kept on looking we would all still be Ra worshipers. What we perceive as rational isn't always true nor is irrational always untrue, you are trying to set the goal posts down to your own idea of what they should be. We should investigate the evidence for what it is not what we want or think it should be.

When prayer is mentioned who are we talking about praying to? Ra? Zeus, Jupiter? The Moon Goddess? Thor? Jesus? The Universe in general? People used to pray to Ra, Ra was all powerful, now we know Ra is just a natural phenomenon powered by a type of fusion. What does this indicate about other "supernatural" entities? So your God is real but mine isn't? Hers is but his isn't? Your supernatural has meaning but mine doesn't? Who do we pray to so we are sure it has an effect? Who decides, who is really neutral enough to make such a decision? Maybe someone who doesn't believe in either one? Possibly we should start out neutral and look for evidence of what we see happening around us.... no wait that's science.....

I have to ask, please excuse me if I seem dense, but isn't everyone equating socialism and communism as the same or at least similar things? Here in the US people are saying socialist in the same way they used to say communist. I used to think there was a real difference between the two but now i wonder if i ever knew anything. Aren't all governments by definition to some extent socialist? If the government takes care of the people in any way at all isn't that at least socialist in a small way? And with the big government bail outs doesn't make government at least partly communistic? What is going on? disinformation? Or simply a game who can call who the worst names?

I can't watch the video either but I'm betting when it's used on humans the animal of choice for the scaffolding isn't going to be a rabbit.....

It works the same way gravity does, denser things displace less dense things out of the way.

To late!

It seems that all of America has degenerated into nothing but a shouting match, no right no wrong just who can shout the loudest and be the most obtuse. I am so very tired of polarization it has the potential to screw us all. Far to many people who only want to hear what they believe in or agree with and far too many people willing to tell them what they want to hear. Really very sad, what ever happened to really looking at the issues? Doesn't any one ever get tired of getting sunshine pumped up their skirt? Why is it so popular to be selfish and smug?

I don't understand why you are asking me this, I never said I wasn't willing to help or currently not doing any thing to help. I think you are closing the door after the horse has left the barn, again I see no reason for you quote me and say these things. We do need to try and get a handle on any human inputs into all pollution and global warming, to say other wise is really not very intelligent. Of course change is going to be negative on many currently ecological niches. Change always does have some negative impact. The Cretaceous extinction was damn negative from the stand point of most of Earth's creatures but to us it was a great thing. 20 years? You have no clue, it's not just the industrial nations any more, it's every one. The USA and other industrial nations have been changing since I was first aware of what was going on 50 years ago. sometimes it was very fast, some things were not, but change is not something humans do fast. I look around me and I am often amazed we have come so far so fast. you have to have been around when things were much worse to be able to see how much better they actually are. if we could get the crazies to stop doing every thing in their power to demonize much of the change things would go faster. 40 years ago we could have changed from petroleum powering our vehicles to natural gas, would it have been a miracle cure ? No but it would have been much cleaner much faster and put us in a natural evolution toward other technologies that would have been much better but the people who wanted change wanted total change all at once and so we got nothing. any time you push too hard to fast you create problems. It has happened it will again, things are changing about as fast as economics and humans can allow for. Merged post follows: Consecutive posts merged Why do you keep saying this? I never said it was a good thing, just an unknown thing. You are looking through human colored glasses take them off and you'll see the changes will not wipe out the earth's ecosystems only change them. the incentive for us is to keep us from being wiped away in favor of another ecosystem we cannot live with. The Earth has been much warmer than it is now and a much higher CO2 level as well. The Earth has also been much colder, almost frozen over from one pole to the other. runaway greenhouse is a concept that doesn't specifically say the Earth will go that way due to human input. You are grandstanding and exaggerating. these things will only serve to make people ignore you.

I never said things will be better, all we can know is they will be different. Just because the changes might be bad for humans doesn't mean the earth is going to die or that the ecology cannot adapt. I think the data shows we know a lot more than you seem to understand. Again I never said we shouldn't try to slow down out own climate inputs, I think it is just as disingenuous to say the Earth will end up like Venus as it is to say global warming is false. I've seen no studies what so ever that suggest the Earth becoming like Venus due to human inputs.

My problem with global warming is the idea so so human orientated. Every thing seems to center around keeping the planet just like it is or was or should be or some other rather arbitrary idea. The Earth changes, are we at least one of the engines of the current change? Almost certainly. Could there be other factors involved? Almost certainly. Will the Earth and it's ecology survive global warming? Almost certainly. Would it be better for the Earth to change slower? Almost certainly. If the evidence we have is any indication much of the history of complex life on Earth has been on a much warmer earth than we see now. Will humans get the shitty end of the stick from climate change? Almost certainly. We will have to adapt, maybe actually do some things different, make choices that are less than self centered, or maybe even make choices that even more self centered. One thing is sure, change is coming, at this point who done it, isn't as important as how do we make sure humanity survives, grows, and learns from what is happening.

Ah something like this? This is pretty much what you asked for, you may as well take the warp drive too.

I wanna be a centaur, is that science fictiony enough?

I liked bubbling CO2 through arragonite.

I checked out the site, interesting the tank of the month was a 34 gallon nano reef, I saw several 2.5 gallons "reefs" nothing like what you are claiming and not near sucessfull as you seem to be. I guess you are the best of them all? Merged post follows: Consecutive posts mergedLot so very nice Nano reefs, lots more detail about keeping them, if you had been a bit more forth coming maybe we could have avoided this conversation but I still see no .5 gallon reefs.