Moontanman

Actually they do, please get some basic education before trying to run with the big dogs... So now you are psychoanalyzing me? Must have cut you to the quick...

Troll, I knew it...

This has nothing to do with my heredity but if you want to go down that rabbit hole let's start by your insinuation of the no true scotsman fallacy and go on to how do you know the people involved were atheists. Christians labeled us as soulless animals to be eradicated often buy putting a bounty on killing us or just distributing small pox infected blankets. All approved by christians, the good christians just destroyed our language, culture, took our children away and forbid them from speak their native tongue and believing in their ancestral gods. usdi watali

All sides are guilty, how can ignoring the parts you do not like and asserting the parts you do like not be a bias? While pointing this out be a bias as well? I smell troll dude...

Seriously, you are going to use near death experiences as evidence of gods? Jesus, Buddha, Allah, Krishna, and yes the Norse gods as well as a myriad of other "near death" experiences happen, some with no gods and most times no experience at all. A near death is an hallucination of an oxygen deprived brain. All sorts of silliness shows up.

Again, you are leaving out all the really nansy horrible stuff and by the way how can Atheism, a lack of belief, be a belief?

Citation needed... Typical dishonest theist cherry picking, pick up a bible, read it two or three times, pay attention to what it says not what someone else says it means, get back to me when you have more than a kindergarten understanding of what it says..

Really no, do you kill people who work on sunday? Does the law state that women cannot teach men? Stoned any harlots today? These things are supported by mathematics and evidently your knowledge of pretty girls is quite limited...

Just saying that was inserted into the pledge in the 1950s and women's rights among other things are not biblical, we no longer stone homosexuals or unruly children or people who work on sunday or wear clothing made of mixed cloth. Religion hijacks normal moral behavior and claims it as it's own. The behavior was not invented by religion...

The only honest answer I can give is we don't know and if that were the case we wouldn't be here to discuss this. We have no idea if the universe has to be just this way or if it can be different. We don't know if this the only universe or if there are an infinite number popping into existence from some multidimensional foam or if invisible pixies created it all... Simply inserting what ever woo you want into the explanation accomplishes nothing...

Um no... Where in the west are morals based on the old christians moral code?

You get molecular machines via the physics of emergent complexity. Driven by energy molecules can and will spontaneously become more complex, carbon can become life though energy powered emergent complexity. https://www.iflscience.com/physics/life-inevitable-consequence-physics/

Does no one here actually read what the bible says about the soul? I may not be a biblical scholar but at one time I was religious, a christian, but always a "doubting Thomas" eventually the doubts become far too thick to be ignored but that is independent of the OT. If you want to discuss this we have to show some evidence of a god at the very least much less a soul... Yes Gees I am calling you out, I ate my bowl of stupid this morning and I am ready to digest it thoroughly... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul_in_the_Bible In some translations or interpretations the soul is nothing more than air, the breath of life, once that air stopped moving in and out of the body it was considered dead. The soul having left the body. None of this makes any sense in the light of science, no evidence for a soul exists that I am aware of, and when "doG" put it in humans is a nonsensical question. Could we rationally argue about when during evolution did "doG" put eyes in Humans? At the very least we know humans have eyes...

The book (fiction) solves the problem by using cartilage like a shark. Contrary to popular belief cartilage can be quite strong, ever carve up a shark?

In the book that image is based on the centaurs ate the same food as us, it was never clear but the upper rib cage seemed to be the lungs and the lower one the other organs. But it was just fiction no doubt a very good book, equal to lord of the rings in my estimation.. Um...Bioengineering should account for that! In the book I was referring to the Titanides didn't have a spine made of vertebrae, it was made of cartilage, they were designed by their god to be able to visit earth... Oops double quote...

What next Gee, shall we discuss the number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin and you win by default because I can't prove there are no angels? You cannot argue nonsense that cannot be investigated via the scientific method, by definition it is not to be believed or given credence if it cannot pass that test. I have seen this bollocks argued over and over nearly to infinity, to quote Aron Ra "If you can't show it you don't know it" Nonsense deserves to be ridiculed as do those that pervey fairy tales as fact...

I will be impressed when CRISPR can turn me into a centaur. They will have something then, I can see it now, real mermaids! Not those ugly dugongs!

Really Gees, I eat a plate of stupid before I post on religion? That is really insulting dude, couple that with John bending over so far to defend the undefendable he is showing his ignorance big time and trying to tell us it's only biker shorts and not his panties makes it doubly insulting. His completely unsupported views on religion which is in it's self unsupported shouldn't even be on here.

I was trying to clarify the assertions I had made. Ok, lets see how your assertion that we are sending out signals with the intention of notifying aliens we are here VIA the message sent by Arecibo. https://www.iop.org/resources/topic/archive/seti/index.html It is quite possible that I am confused about the interstellar medium interfering with radio signal leakage detection. I concede that point.

Nonetheless, time could very well separate civilizations as well as distance. If civilizations are rare this has to be a factor in the Fermi paradox. IMHO there is no Fermi paradox, the paradox is an illusion I would assert we see what should expect to see... https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/01/27/how-far-into-space-can-radio-telescopes-hear/#57df9f2f5de7 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox Recent research has pushed the possible existence of life on Earth back to more than 4 billion years, this would appear to indicate that life starts as soon as it's possible. I was referring to life in the galaxy, there are so many ifs involved that this is nothing but speculation but even if life in not rare civilizations could still be separated in in not only space but in time as well. A million civilizations could be separated by thousands of light years but also hundreds of thousand years in time. At any one time there could only be a handful of civilizations active and those would likely be separated by tens of thousands of light years in space. A civilization that far away would not be aware of us and unless they were intentionally sending out a high powered omnidirectional signal for tens of thousands of years we would be unaware of them. And due to the speed of light limitations they could not be aware of us... There is no Fermi Paradox, we see what we should expect to see when passively looking for signals of ET... Ok, I'll concede that but the fact does remain that we could not detect a civilization equal to ours in the Alpha Centauri system unless they were intentionally trying to be recognised. No, not at all, the signal you are referring to was not omni directional, it was directed at the Magellanic clouds 16,000 light years away, it wasn't repeating over time and if we received such a signal it would be discounted. To have a real attempt at letting aliens know we are here would take a very powerful omnidirectional signal that we are currently incapable of generating due to both the power requirements and lack of infrastructure.

I love it, the micro cosmos is, IMHO, a source of information of how complex life advanced to us. Protests were the first step towards us!

We are binging on Stranger Things right now! Lost Girl is a great show if like super sexy super natural fae heroines...

Please be specific, how far back could life have existed? If it's just a few thousand years then you have a point if life could have existed several billion years ago I don't think you have a leg to stand on. Ok, even though it does state .3 light years as the limit. This one says 16 light years for certain signals and explains why military radar is different. https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/01/27/how-far-into-space-can-radio-telescopes-hear/#77c621915de7 http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/about-us/131-observational-astronomy/seti-and-extraterrestrial-life/seti/795-wouldn-t-the-vast-distances-of-space-distort-seti-signals-into-unintelligeble-forms-intermediate Ok, I can't find a direct reference to the interstellar medium problem, I know I've seen it, in fact i have posted a link to it in other threads in the past but for some reason I am google blind at the moment. I can't seem to find the right search criteria https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/01/27/how-far-into-space-can-radio-telescopes-hear/#77c621915de7 Now you are just being pedantic... The tech is advancing do rapidly I am not willing to use current problem to condemn the inevitability of autonomous cars... or airplanes...