Moontanman

Does the term habitable zone in relation to the brightness of a star and the distance of a planet from a star give rise to misconceptions about exoplanets? Our own solar system is an example, Venus, Earth and Mars are in the habitable zone. A super earth could be habitable well out into the what we call the asteroid belt but would not be if it was close as the Earth. Sara Seager has suggested that a super earth might be habitable well past the orbit of Jupiter if it had a thick hydrogen atmosphere. Then you get into the whole ice planets or moons with frozen over oceans and if we find life on Titan as Chris McKay and Heather Smith have suggested then the entire concept goes out the window?

Is there a place on the site for videos like this and if not should there be?

One possibility of why aliens might visit us and maybe even occasionally get seen is they are mining the the Earth's biosphere. Planets with extensive biospheres might be quite rare and that might make samples of DNA from animals and even bacteria valuable. If you find such a planet keep the discovery a secrete would make sense. kinda like us discovering the Sentinelese have something of extreme value and we want to get it but have to keep our efforts secrete due to international laws. I know, a stretch...

What is being referenced is the FLIR footage which was said to be a glitch in the system by the NAVY. It was from a HUD display from a night vision film not a photo and the objects observed earlier in the day by two pilots... I noticed that the "tic tac" photo being refereed to was about was not displayed...

I am of the opinion that trying to figure out what an alien would do an why they would do it...is somewhat less than a smart tun I'm not willing to say i have a good idea why a tiger shark with swim up to a diver to get the diver to remove things like hooks and line cutting into his skin. or next day bite you in half just to feed his remorea companions... And we share 4,000,000,000 years of evolution on this planet with tiger sharks But who can know their intent, maybe when the get sloppy they turn the planet inside out... Naked rednecks in pick up trucks smell batter to them... Naked rednecks can be found easier, maybe people taking hikes are considered rare and last not not least the aliens like that high pitched squeal the redneck makes as they are penetrated... I appreciate that UFOs are all too often portrayed as an argument from ignorance and anyone who investigates them as the ignorant arguers. While it is true we have no smoking gun the 2004 Nimitz certainly seemed to generate a lot of smoke and the Navy seemed feel it was necessary to lie to keep the public from gaining the info. What happened An Aegis equipped destroyer two F-18 super hornets a nuclear attack submarine were all involved. The Destroyer asked if two test flight aircraft from the Nimitz could be vectored to investigate some unknown radar returns. The crews of the F-18's were excited hopping to get in on a drug smuggling bust. But several white objects were clearly observed descending what was basically space to within a few feet of the oceans surface. The Jets went in for a look and saw a huge object the size of a 747 just under the surface with these small objects orbiting around the apparent craft just under the surface. A Navy nuclear attack submarine was nearby for the exercise and reported hearing unusual sounds in the vicinity of the craft that was in the water. The UFOs, several of them appeared to be protecting the object in the water and contrary to popular belief the UFOs were not featureless squares and had some sort of protrusions. When the UFO began to make moves that could have been though hostile the destroyer asked the F-!* if they had hot weapons inboard only to be told they only had dummy weapons... The UFOs appeared to be protecting the airspace around the underwater object. I quoted that as accurately as i could.. what you guys suggest had been seen?

I am still of the opinion that very few people really take UFOs seriously enough to even consider the possibility. beecee your last sentence sums it up If all we were talking about about was light playing tricks on us then there would be a about as much need for this conversation as seriously discussing pixies. Few if any UFOs are taken seriously by the people who count that could be explained by atmospheric phenomena yet that is the main cause mentioned by "debunkers" Ridicule is a powerful weapon we should all be careful how we use it... In one of the videos it's noted that the military doesn't spend millions of dollars chasing bigfoot or even trying to convince people bigfoot doesn't exist.yeti thousands if not millions of people claim to have seen them. If they were real they could be a very serious threat but no interest by the military even though their job is to protect civilians from such threats. Image an army of interdimensional bigfoot, (feet?) armed to the teeth with energy weapons... yeah some people make those claims with a straight face... One of the things about the "Nimitz" encounter was the completely reasonable explanation of FLIR tech being misinterpreted. Convinced me, I was sure it was one of the explainable sightings. Now we find out the FLIR part was the second round for the UFOs that day and the FLIR data was used to explain away the singing rather dishonestly IMHO. Two pilots had seen them close up in daylight and there were several of the objects orbiting over an object underwater at the location and not only did they show up on radar from an Aegis class destroyer, which had directed the F-18s to investigate the initial radar returns, a nuclear attack sub in the area detected the very large underwater object the UFOs seemed to be interested in as well. The F-18 pilots saw the underwater object as well, big as a 747 was the term used as I recall. The Destroyer actually asked the F-18s if they were armed when the UFOs began to display what was seen as possible hostile intent. All the F-18s had were dummy training weapons. This was in 2004, newer stuff from 2015 to 2017 is also included in these reports and the Navy has officially started investigating what is going on. Which makes sense if you are on or near a hot war zone you want to know what your planes are seeing...

Gun control?

I have to agree, any alien contact might have consequences we cannot even conceive of, on the other hand that does beg the question of why they "seem" to be flitting about our air space and interacting with civilian and military aircraft. We screw with primitive tribes due to things like religion, government control, and , should it be mentioned? Manifest destiny... If aliens truly do not want to interfere with us simply avoiding our planet seems a rather easy thing to do. I do apologize for all the videos but the clearest and most recent data seems to best viewed in that format. Anyone interested will watch, and I do not post your general run of the mill conspiracy theory videos. I see no reason to run up their views and they seldom do anything but take 3 or 4th hand info and distort it to their ends anyway,.. Several of the recent revelations are extremely interesting and very difficult to explain conventionally. As one person, a pilot I think, said "If the Russians have these things then we should surrender now and avoid the rush" or something to that effect... On the other hand if avoiding leaving some sort of trace or sighting is as difficult for them as it is for us vs the seltinalise then even out own solar system much must be practically awash with aliens... Yes

You could at least limit your snarky remarks to the subject material at hand. watching the video or asking why I posted wouldn't be a bad idea either. This post has nothing to do with the possibility of life on other planets, only if that life can be shown to be visiting us. A great deal of recent information has come out and this thread is about that. AND BTW you have no power to warn anyone except maybe that you intend to follow me and try to obfuscate every post I make but I can put an end to that...

https://www.iflscience.com/space/heres-what-would-happen-if-we-switched-mars-and-venus-in-the-solar-system/

I didn't know he was a physicist until recently...

Ny own take on this is probably radar returns used to train pilots but some really odd this like multiple objects picked up on sohad and radar, visual sightings pretty much doing high speed flybuys and the general defiance of the laws of physics have me wondering a bit...

A real hairy black hole? Actually beyond the event horizon time becomes space and space becomes time, at least how as I understand it...

I understand...

This is the one I have, it's three years old. https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/HP-251-Desktop-PC-series/9259618/model/9971100/document/c04943761/ Does it measure up? I have little understanding of the jargon used to describe computers...

Go for it This universoul sandbox game how fast amd no much memory is required for it for it run? Looks like something I could really get into.

No the phrase would remain the same was in reference to the planet being moved as it currently is, change would begin immediately upon it's arrival in Mars orbit, the question is what the changes would be.

Show me where I said the atmospheric pressure would remain the same? "The atmospheric pressure would remain the same" no place did I say that, I asked if it would remain the same or would the atmosphere freeze out or, another possibility occurs to me, would more of it condense into a liquid while the rest maintained an atmosphere that was hot by out standards? Ok I found it, but you took it out of context, I was saying moving Venus as it is, with the atmospheric pressure the same. The was meant to mean at the time of movement. I then said said: Now I am willing to assume you mistakenly did this but no where did i claim that videus would stay the same temp other than when it was moved. In in fact I stated many times that Venus would cool down once it was moved and asked what would happen. All of the atmosphere would not freeze out due to the greenhouse effect and as I suggested might result in a surface covered in liquid CO2 instead of dry ice. Lighter gases have already been stripped away. Yes this is why Venus is being considered as the best planet to colonise. Our breathing gas being a lifting gas much the same way Helium is on earth. A reasonable idea but the immense CO2 atmosphere almost 100 times as dense as Earth's atmosphere creates a problem...

I am of the cell first then physical replication of those cells via trauma as in surf with each cell providing an environment that allowed for enveloping or extruding hydrophobic molecule Those that built better making cell making molecules became more numerous. Those first cells composed of molecules with hydrophobic and hydrophilic cells naturally created pores where rna could reproduce and make more rna with hydrophobic and hydrophilic ends. The RNA that did this most efficiently made more cells that were broken up on rocks by the surf or other trauma. Eventually the cells would burst due to too much RNA being inside and form more cells and the process would start over. The result was life...