Moontanman

I feel the need to apologise, while the first video was in IF and many convincing explanations were given I had never never heard that two aircraft crews at visually seen to the object op quite close. I watched the show last night and while not a smoking gun a lot of the people were quite impressive in their connections with the government and other sightings were discussed as well... Let us hope this in not turned into another meaningless circus as most UFOs are...

You should b skeptical but the mere fact the navy has changed it's policy from don't tell if you want to keep flying to encouraging pilots to make detailed reports is interesting in of it's self and see they object fly between two jets 100 feet apart depends on how fast the object was flying.It could have been flying in the same direction only slower which would have made it look like it was passing between the jets. Besides some sort of extremely advanced drone makes more sense than aliens... That was the old tic tac video from 2004 and little if anything to do with the current sightings and has been explained for the most part as a foul up of the infrared camera.

Again this is not about the tic tac that was filmed by the HUD 15 years ago, this is about the Navy taking such sightings seriously and wanting pilots to report the wightings so they can be investigated due to the possibility of a pilot misidentifying something that might result in dangerous situation. This one is particularly disturbing: From the original link

Weak magnetic field doesn't seem to be significant factor with Venus current position much closer to the sun I can't see it being worse in the orbit of Mars. whether or not it would freeze into a ball of dry ice but with deep atmosphere of lesser pressure but enough to keep all of the atmosphere from freezing out. The question is would Venus become a covered in a deep layer of dry ice, over time, I should have specified the time factor, but the number of CO2 atoms would remain the same ice or gas, you should have noted that. I did not insinuate the pressure would remain the same. I just wanted to know how much cooler venus would become and would that result in the surface being covered by dry ice. Hell possibly even types of dry ice that are similar to water ice like ice 2 or ice 7. There are are some really interesting possibilities here, I am sorry I posted it in speculation, I'll ask a real physicist on another forum who is interested in the effects of moving planets around. Which is by the way possible...

As the article said they do not claim it was aliens.... although anything that flies between to navy jets as described in the article would be something the navy would want to know about...

You do realize the tic tac object was not what this article was about.... right... Of I know you do because you would never comment without actually reading the ;lnk...

Again, you post a meaningless obfuscation of the OT....

The Navy says they want to educate pilots as to what UFOs are so that hostile aircraft or atmospheric anomalies will not be mistaken for hostile aircraft or non hostile aircraft. Yet this report was documented. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/26/us/politics/ufo-sightings-navy-pilots.html And this one: Interestingly the article also said the incidents were fewer away from the US.

Having read the bible both as one would read a book and the cherry picked parts my pastor required us to read with no rational explanation of any of it I would think that cosmologists at least have math and experimental data to back them up... Most importantly "if you can't show it then you don't know it" AronRa but more importantly if you claim something is true there is no evidence for then you are lying...

That is true but irrelevant to the question or obvious because as the CO2 freezes or condenses that would be obvious. The number of atoms would stay the same as per the OT. That is why I asked them here...

https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/delusion?s=t First example: Misconception, misbelief, Other words that struck my fancy.: Deception, fantasy, chicanery, Self deception. I would think it's just another attempt to obfuscate this thread and draw it away from religious belief. If you believe that smacking your finger with a hammer will feel good you are delusional but not in the religious sense. I can demonstrate with your finger and a hammer how delusional you are. If you believe in god and give your money because then you think god wants your pastor or church to be rich then you are delusional in the religious sense and there is no way to demonstrate god is real much less want you to donate money to him.

My taste in music is rather eclectic, I like what i like no matter what genra it comes from.

I am sticking with one scenario, moving Venus as it is to the orbit of Mars. Mars would have to be moved someplace else of course. What would happen to Venus? The atmospheric pressure would remain the same so at depth the supercritical CO2 would remain as well. As the temp dropped at some point the CO2 should begin to freeze out. This should begin at around 225K if I am reading the graph correctly. Would this result in thick layer of dry ice with a somewhat less pressure atmosphere of CO2. The less thick CO2 atmosphere should result in less of a greenhouse effect resulting in lower temps and more dry ice. I would think this would stop at some point but at what point? My question is simple, at that distance to the sun would venus be able to maintain a surface temp high enough to keep the supercritical CO2 from freezing or would a point be reached where much if not most of the CO2 would freeze out?

The CO2 is a critical fluid only at a certain depth and above that depth it is just CO2. In fact there is some speculation about colonizing Venus high in it's atmosphere since breathing gas is a lifting gas in a CO2 atmosphere. Huge floating cities is the idea but not what I am talking about. Since there would be plenty of gaseous CO2 I don't see how it would redundant...

I am assuming Venus will keep it's now liquid CO2 atmosphere, at some point that atmosphere is freeze out into dry ice depending on temps and pressure. Since at Mars current position CO2 freezes would Venus receive enough energy from the sun for much of the CO2 to freeze? Or would the greenhouse effect prevent that from happening? I'm not sure at what temperature CO2 would freeze at the pressure currently at the surface of Venus but the current pressure and Temperature allow the CO2 to be a supercritical fluid. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercritical_carbon_dioxide If I m reading this correctly it looks like the CO2 should freeze at about 220k. Currently the surface temp of venus is about 735k. By Ben Finney Mark Jacobs - Commons, Image:Carbon dioxide pressure-temperature phase diagram.jpg, CC0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=4315735

Reading the Bible showed me the idiocy of believing in something that is in complete contradiction of methodological naturalism. I had questions from the age of 8 or so, got me sentenced to standing in the corner with a dunce hat on a few times.

I was thinking of another large object inside the moons orbit, But my concern was more along the lines of is the Earth massive enough to have another large moon. "Tanman" sounds pretty good.

I was around 30 when i realized I couldn't honestly believe in a god. Reading the bible pretty much ended any belief in god for me..

The fact that the Sun has increased in it's output as much as 30% over that time span wasn't mentioned. http://faculty.wcas.northwestern.edu/~infocom/The Website/evolution.html

The evidence is in the fossil record and the genetic record. What we call complex life started less than one billion years ago. Here is a link to explain the basic domains of life. The further back in time you go the simpler organisms get and the more they resemble each other until you get to the point of a single celled organism. Beyond eukaryotes in the past evolution as we see it in complex life breaks down due to gene sharing and identifying the bacteria that is the UCA becomes impossible. One thing to remember is that what we call simple life (ie bacteria) are not really simple. Bacteria are extremely complex and bear little resemblance to what is thought to have been the first living cells. I would be careful using the assertion of "historical truth" Science does not look for truth. Methodological naturalism is based on evidence but that evidence can never be complete "truth" due to deep time. All we can do is find the most likely path evolution took. If you are truly curious I can direct you to some really great videos explaining this in detail but in a nutshell "absolute truth" cannot always be found and the further back in time you go the less absolute things become.

Could an object around the size of Ceres or even the size of the Moon achieve a stable orbit around the Earth along with our own moon? Would some sort of orbital resonance make this possible?

If Venus was swapped into the orbit of Mars and Mars was moved to the orbit of Venus would Venus cool down to the temps Mars has now or would Venus remain hot? Right now Venus's atmosphere is "at the surface" a supercritical fluid. If it cooled down to the Temp of Mars wouldn't the CO2 freeze out and make Venus a ball of dry ice? Or would the greenhouse effect keep Venus very hot?

The issue is religious faith.

What word would that be? Anything outside faith in the religious sense would be off topic, but I see no reason to be that strict except you use any allowed leeway as an excuse to obfuscate the issue.

You can if you discuss religious faith, the bible gives a pretty good definition: "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen" Hebrews 11: 1 I apologize for the neg rep, as soon as I can I'll remove it...