Popcorn Sutton

I'm not getting into anything theoretical though, I know what I am able to do within a relatively short timeframe so I don't need to worry about which platform my programs are being implemented on, just that it works. Evolution of artificial intel may split and go classical or quantum but I think that eventually they will be unified.

They might be doing it wrong. I assume that the brain is a quantum computer, and judging by what you said, our classical computers, by nature, are quantum as well. Therefor, I cannot find any classical explanation for how a point of interest is identified instantaneously from a list that could go on infinitely. But, when it comes to prompting the next point of interest (the mind), it takes time.

Thank you, I was just talking to my boss about this and he said to try and access the source code. I was worried because the url doesn't change. We need to scrape the data of all the inmates in that particular website. On the same topic, I'm going to be faced with another problem. My boss says that the people responsible for this website (http://itasw0aepv01.macombcountymi.gov/jil/faces/InmateSearch.jsp) are a little more attentive to data miners. So, I'm wondering if the same rule applies here. P.S.: Very surprised to see the admin bump in on this one. I'm honored

Here is an example website that I am trying to access with Python automatically. (http://www.waynecounty.com/sheriff/1359.htm) The problem here is that the url doesn't change at all, which means that it's probably running its own program behind the scenes. I need to automatically detect and click the accept button. Furthermore, at the next part, I need to detect the last name and first name part of the following webpage. From that point, I need to then insert the raw_input('last name: '), raw_input('first name: ') in the appropriate spots. Then, to make it even more complex, I need to click on the more info buttons associated with that particular inmate so I can find the text (which needs to be ordered as well) so I can find out their charges and their bond information which needs to be sent back to the program. I've tried- import splinter import selenium from splinter import Browser with Browser() as browser: browser.visit('http://www.waynecounty.com/sheriff/1359.htm') browser.find_by_name('Accept').click() Traceback (most recent call last): File "<pyshell#14>", line 3, in <module> browser.find_by_name('Accept').click() File "C:\Python27\lib\site-packages\splinter\element_list.py", line 75, in __getattr__ self.__class__.__name__, name)) AttributeError: 'ElementList' object has no attribute 'click' import time with Browser() as browser: browser.visit('http://www.waynecounty.com/sheriff/1359.htm') time.sleep(10) browser.find_by_name('Accept').click() Traceback (most recent call last): File "<pyshell#27>", line 4, in <module> browser.find_by_name('Accept').click() File "C:\Python27\lib\site-packages\splinter\element_list.py", line 75, in __getattr__ self.__class__.__name__, name)) AttributeError: 'ElementList' object has no attribute 'click' from selenium import webdriver def SearchWayne(url): driver = webdriver.PhantomJS() driver.set_window_size(1024,768) driver.get(url) driver.save_screenshot('screen.png') sbtn = driver.find_element_by_css_selector('Accept') sbtn.click() SearchWayne('http://www.waynecounty.com/sheriff/1359.htm') Traceback (most recent call last): File "<pyshell#37>", line 1, in <module> SearchWayne('http://www.waynecounty.com/sheriff/1359.htm') File "<pyshell#36>", line 2, in SearchWayne driver = webdriver.PhantomJS() File "C:\Python27\lib\site-packages\selenium\webdriver\phantomjs\webdriver.py", line 50, in __init__ self.service.start() File "C:\Python27\lib\site-packages\selenium\webdriver\phantomjs\service.py", line 69, in start raise WebDriverException("Unable to start phantomjs with ghostdriver.", e) WebDriverException: Message: 'Unable to start phantomjs with ghostdriver.' ; Screenshot: available via screen no dice.

my equation has been useful for some practical purposes, but besides the equation, for truly intelligent applications (computational minds), you need to integrate what Chomsky calls "3rd factor principles". Basically, you refer to physics to deal with certain aspects of the program. One is quantum, and it's absolutely amazing how, upon recognition and parametrization, a single unit on a list that has a length of 10^100 is accessed instantaneously. It's for that reason that I think that our classical computers may alrady be quantum. We just may not know how quantum computers actually work. There was a recent article about a few scientists from Massachussets, I believe, where they successfully made a quantum computer. What's funny about it, quite ironic, is that their quantum computer is only slightly faster than a classical computer.

I'm actually pretty young. People were surprised at first when they realized how young I actually am and how I took it upon myself to share my ideas with others at approximately the same age that Newton started sharing his ideas. The original question that I had that put me in this sort of mindset was this, "what does it take to make a computer able to learn any language?" I asked that question at the age of 17 and I concluded back then that the one absolutely necessary function for acquisition was pattern recognition. It's a widely accepted belief by this time and has a lot of practical applications. It's theoretical and it's also practical and it is the main assumption of computational neuroscience, CMT, machine learning, etc.

Yes, but only based on spatiotemporal proximity, meaning that your most probable universe may be different from the subjects most probable universe. The universi split per every subjected unit. That's too philosophical though, CMT should be entirely programmatical

Has it now. Yes it has. I want to reread your post but I can't ignore what's happening right now so I'll respond later

I plan on returning ASAP. This is a very important issue. At the same time though, I can't ignore work for this right now. I actually work on this kind of thing as a career though. I'm seriously lucky to be able to do that.

Oh it's far from resolved. I'm going to get into more depth after work.

Agreed. Nice post btw

A purposely incoherent sentence is only used within a particular context. In this context, I could provide you with the sentence "and but or if" which is acceptable because it's making a point. All recursive functions are deterministic but they're not conscious. The part that is conscious is the knowledge. Knowledge gets prompted because of it's proximity to the point of interest. Here's an example. Unit = 'hello' 'Hello' is recognized and the correlating bit is accessed instantaneously. Then, depending on significance, it gets a parameter. 'Hello' prompts all equal bits. The connections which are in succession to the point of interest get prompted. Depending on the significance of those units, add the one that is most probable before being parametrized to generation. Skim through every unit in generation and put only those that are more significant than the previous unit into output. The result is that the output is actually pretty grammatical.

It is recursive at points and whether the process halts or not is criticism. The one bit that never halts is the one that is waiting for input, the other ones are embedded within the system and from what I know, there are 3 other recursive processes that happen after input is received.

It may be formal enough for recognition but past that you need externalization and that part hasn't been formalized beyond my hypothesis. Recognize patterns, prompt all relative units within knowledge and a statistical ratio (parameter), output = gen[n(u)] > n + 1(u)

That is wayyy too informal though. What do you do when you get this- "that cow is white with black spots" and "there are back spots on that white cow".

It's supposed to use video input, put it into a database, and be accessible for legal purposes.

If it's alright to post my equation again, I'd like to. It's pretty deterministic in the sense that it will provide relevant output, but it's statistical. I might add an extra component to determine parameters.

False dilemma noted in that last sentence. The amount of complexity in a computational system is directly proportional to the streams of input. From what we know, we have 5 senses at least, so let's just take that as an example. Let's just say that each sense has recognized 10 things. That makes the amount of knowledge for that moment 10^5. That's 1,000,000 connections between bits that need to be computed for any output from those particular modules. With this in mind, you may want to throw in the towel and call it quits. I don't do that because I know how useful this type of technology is and I have a very good idea of how to organize it so it can be useful. I'm not a physicist, and I will never claim to be one, but I do consider myself an expert in computational mind. You probably will not find anyone else who is willing to spend as much time on this particular sub component of AI. My boss told me that he's hired other programmers before me and none of them seem to have a clue of what actually needs to be done. I know what needs to be done and I'll be happy to do it. Given enough time and storage, I can make something epic. Understand though, pattern recognition (the heart of computational mind) is the ability to DETERMINE the statistical IMPRACTICALITY of randomness. Go ahead and assume that things are random, but if you're assuming freedom in any way you're just plain wrong. http://youtu.be/NlIdqH24mpI

How would you ever know?

I must have an entirely different idea of quantum mechanics. When I'm talking about quantum mechanics in this context I make a few assumptions. Here they are Spooky action at a distance == Prompting all equal points of interest (relating to attention). Life is indistinguishable from death and therefor my car is both dead and alive, as I am as well. Organization (determinism) is necessary and sufficient for replication purposes. All that happens between prompting is indistinguishable from nothing, and, for that reason, there is no need to speculate about Newtonian mechanics and chemical interactions in the brain because you are dealing with knowledge, which is like a consistent and simultaneous bubbling of equal bits so that they are recognizable. Organization is CRUCIAL and it needs to be perfect for the best results.

It could be the DNA in all actuality

It's all absolutely determined. I'm going to speak English here not some alien language that uses the gaps between their toes to speak with. I have a mouth and lungs not breaks in between my toes. If determinism was false I could travel to the moon and back in -5 seconds. There is no example I could conject that would be sufficient as an argument against determinism. Seriously, I don't know why anyone even ponders the idea of free will. It's incoherent.

Determinism is an absolute necessity for a computational theory of mind, there's no sidestepping that. If you have any interest in AI then you wouldn't even be concerned with that question. Your argument was fallacious because it was like 2+2=5000. So what you're saying is that because you are not someone else, things are inherently random and determinism is false. That makes absolutely no sense to me. I can predict what I'm going to say next, I'm going to say hi. Hi

We probably can't predict behavior by peoples genes. Stuart Hammerhoff makes a good point in his lecture and I think that he's right. "[Microtubules are the containers of knowledge]," and then he backs up his point by giving an example of a single celled organism performing complex tasks (such as having a sex life, learning, and navigating its environment). From my experience (computationally), if you want to be able to predict the output of any computational mechanism you're going to need access to a few things. 1. in the simplest scenario, you need to know that there is ABSOLUTELY no alternative input that the mechanism is receiving because if there was, then the system is exactly twice as complex as you anticipated, 2. You need to know how the mechanism is organized, 3. you need to know the fundamental units that are associated with knowledge (commonly called "units", "units of knowledge", "bits of information", etc.) and you need to know the boundaries between these units. Currently, we don't have a single mechanism that can measure even the simplest known central system that is required for output (algorithmically) in any known organism, and that's not even to mention what the input may be. I see that one day we will have this type of tool, but it needs to be extremely precise and it needs to know how to distinguish noise from the actual thing that we are measuring. A common complaint about neuroscience is that the brain is just too noisy and that our systems aren't able to bypass that yet. It's getting better thanks to pattern recognition and Bayesian/statistical inference, but I think that we are still years away from measuring accurately and recognizably anything remotely as complex as our analytical system, and particularly language (which is BY FAR the most complex thing that any of us can achieve).

After three days of deliberation on this one, I think that I may have found a solution. I really hate knowing that it took me literally 15 hours to find it, but I'm winning. If anyone happens to stumble across this thread and needs the same help as I needed, here is the simplest answer (because pdfMiner and PyPDF are extremely complex with a very steep learning curve). - https://pypi.python.org/pypi/slate