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Yea I read that at the plank length, time doesn't go in any one direction, that time itself is fluctuating, the book "Time Line" was centered around this. They would shrink themselves to the plank length, and go back in time, through quantum foam.

Were you trying to kill my computer?

I think you may be over thinking it then, entropy is just randomness, or disorder in the universe. The second law of thermodynamics states that the level of entropy always increases in a closed system, which means that as time goes by, things become disorganized.

So you can ride in bentley's and roll on dubs?..........ah me too:D

Are you really looking for high pay? If so, why not just become a doctor? I'm gonna say what just about everyone says to me when I ask this kind of question, which is to just do what you love. Mo money, Mo problems

I have been taking adderall for about 4 years. I think I have ADHD, but I really don't know. I used to get in trouble alot, and then I got in "big" trouble and had to go to YDC for a while, and the psychologist there found that I was ADHD and depressed:rolleyes: so I've been taking prosac and adderall for a while, and I love the stuff. I can study alot more, but I also find myself not paying attention to what the class is doing, and studying my own stuff. For the most part it seems like bullshit. Lots of kids are on adderall at my school, and alot of kids sell it here.

If I was a clone I would feel special. As for the emotional problems, it sounds like nothing a few episodes of Dr. Phill coudn't put a stop to.

Sadly this is the case, at least in my city. As a whole, people are pretty stupid. These types of decisions should not in my opinion be decided by the masses. Please don't get me started on bush. I hate that man.

I'm sorry if i offended you. It's just that when I read your post it brought back horrid memories of "A Brave New World"(The worst book I've ever read). Like faf said ethics are subjective, and I tend to be really laid back in my ethics. I think we could learn a lot from trying to perfect cloning, and that information, to me, just might be worth the "mistakes". This is just a phase in my opinion, when people first starting cutting up dead bodies to learn about human physiology it was viewed as very unethical, but now we don't even think about it as bad. (At least I don't)

In my opinion QM is not really complete. Just like Newton and his Universal theory of gravity, he laid the ground rules of what happens, but he left it up to his readers to determine what makes it happen, up until Einstein came along and solved that one. From what I understand we have formulas that predict quantum mechanical outcomes with precise accuracy, but we are not absolutely sure of why it happens.

Ignorance is opening the door to something that could lead to a reduction in the variation of the gene pool? The end of individuality? Did you read "A Brave New World" too many times? Sounds like you slipped in the gene pool when the life guard wasn't looking. Seems to me the world is overflowing with ignorance already. You goody two shoes bible thumping haters, need to open your eyes!

What's best for the kid? Extremely ugly people have kids all the time. A lot of people still think fat people gluttonize, but for the most part it's in your genes. If two grossly overweight parents want to have a genetically superior stud of a child like myself, I think they should be able to have one. Which brings up another good point.......If a cloning experiment were to go horribly wrong, and the baby came out deformed, would you terminate it, or would you be allowed to terminate it? What's the difference in that and having a deformed retarded kid?

Nothing. It's our God given right!

Fo sho, Break us off a piece Deslaar

I was looking through that link you gave me, and I must say I'm a bit confused. "Heisenberg now argued that such concepts as orbits of electrons do not exist in nature unless and until we observe them." So he isn't talking about our counsciousness, as in our "soul" is he? How do you measure something without some form of interaction?

Dat is how it works yo' You best bust out some impirical evidence be fo you say my shit is whack!

Well I interpretered the poster as though his intent was to scare people, by implying total machine domination is a bad thing. Which as we all know it's not...........some people just jump to conclusions!

Go read "The Age of Spirtual Machines" by Ray Kurzweil. It might help you lose your phobia of machines, cause like it or not, cybernetics will be a well integrated part of our society in the forseeable future.

I bet some star fish could fit in that circle even better!

I think raising a clone of yourself would be alot more interesting then having a regular child. It would kind be kind of like having a little brother. My best friend is my brother, because of the fact we are so much alike, but if you don't have one you cannot understand. Like Knigh4321 said you could capitalize on the talents you already have, but I would just rather have a genetically engineered child that excels in everything. I don't think cloning is a very good idea though, if one person has the right to clone themselves, everyone will think they have the right, and lol I don't want clones of ugly people running around. Oh yea, hey Adam, do you believe that your conciousness cannot be transferrred because the "soul" is locked in your body? Is it the same for animals?

Like contradiction said it would be no different then if a robot were observing the electron, consciousness is not what determines the the ultimate path. From what I understand the act of observing the election, for example seeing it, you would have to hit it with photons. When it is hit by the photon it knocks it in a different direction. The more accurate you try to observe the position, by using a higher frequency (because the position can only be measured within the margin of the wavelength) the more energy you hit it with, thus altering it's velocity. The lower the frequency the larger the margin of error possible. So it's not really our consciousness that determines the outcome, more like us trying to measure it, is what gives it that illusion.

In the last year or so I have taken the initiative to teach myself what I think I should already know. (make sense?) Let me give you an example. After taking the graduation test and making a 97% percentile in the science portion, which should of made me feel good (I think) I knew that I really didn't know much at all about basic biology and chemistry, seriously I didn't know the difference between an ionic bond, and a covalent bond. So last year I "acquired" a human physiology book, and have been studying it for about an hour a day in the classes I don't need to graduate. The book is very straightforward and explains the basics in detail. I seem to learn a lot faster by just reading the chapters, and kind of explaining to my self what I just read. Now I can honestly say I know a good bit (probably a fraction of what you guys know) about biology. I would really like to move on to physics, and was wondering if you guys could point me in the right direction. I have read a couple of books like "The elegant Universe" and "The Search of Schrodinger's Cat" Which taught me alot of theoretical physics, but I really don't feel confortable talking about quantum physics, or relativity whithout me having a strong understanding of basic physics. So if any one knows a good book that was particularly helpful for you, give me a tell. Thanks.

Since were on the subject of time travel in movies, one of my all time favortie movies was 12 monkeys. Anyone see this one? The basic point of it was that even if there is time travel there is no way one could actually go back and change it. For example if you use the "going back to kill your grandmother paradox" you could go back in time, but no matter how hard you tried, something always happens that prevents you from doing so. If this explanation is right then the universe would have to be derterministic right? From what I have read, chaos theory and quantum mechanics debunks determinism.

I did a quick "faster than light travel cesium vapor" yahoo search and this is what i found. "The experimenters used a 2.4-inch glass cell filled with cesium vapor. They used two laser pulses to raise the energy of the cesium atoms to a specific altered energy state. A precisely tuned third laser soaked up the excess energy and a pulse shot out of the cell at a speed faster than light. According to Wang and several other physicists, the reason the light behaves the way it does is that when the leading edge of that third laser pulse begins to enter the chamber, it carries with it all the information needed to reconstruct the entire light wave. That allows the cesium atoms in the chamber to spit out a light beam before the entering pulse has fully reached them." I read that the leader of the project said....em let me find it “This effect cannot be used to send information back in time,” said Lijun Wang, a researcher with the private NEC Institute. Wouldn't the information verifying that it did go faster then the speed of light be information? If something goes faster then the speed of light it "has" to go back in time right? Someone clue me in please.

I remeber last year doing an article for my technology class about an experiment that shot laser beams through tubes of cesium vapor causing faster then light travel, and if i recall, the beam exited the tube befor it entered? I never did find out if this was true? Anyone remember something like this?