ResistETIntervention

Swansont, you stated that “proving the UFO/ET phenomenon” my job and my burden of proof. It is occurring around the world and yet, how is it my job and my burden of proof? I noticed that you didn’t say this to other people in the thread, who made the statement that the UFO/ET phenomenon is real. Do you have some sort of personal issue with me? You also stated that I have “no excuse not to do the same, and don’t get to blame others for doing [my] work for [me].” What excuse am I giving to not do the same of what? I’m not sure what you are trying to say exactly. Who is doing which of my work for me? Are you still talking about the UFO/ET phenomenon or are you playing some sort of game here? As I have said before to “Externet”, I’m not here to play any sort of game or deal with playing at words. You’ll be utterly confusing yourself, if you attempt to play some sort of game with me, because you’ll be playing by yourself. I will state again my response to Pwagon above: In the Appendix I of the book “The Aliens and the Scalpel,” the author stated that “Persons interested in pursuing the details further may contact the author through the publisher. Research is on-going, and future reports may be available from other sources.” The address of the publisher is: The Book Tree, P.O. Box 16476, San Diego, CA 92176. The labs and other organizations the author consulted include Health Line Clinical Laboratories, Inc., International College of Surgeons, The University of Texas at San Antonio, National Institute for Discovery Science, and New Mexico Tech. In the appendix are photocopies of biological analysis reports, metallurgical data, and experimental XRD patterns along with published patterns of possible cladding phases, as well as the letter from Los Alamos National Labs, lab reports from New Mexico Tech identifying elemental composition of unknown sample, etc. Yes, so quarks themselves were not observed, but the evidence of them was observed. You do experiments assuming that quarks exist, and you were able to find only the “evidence” of the existence of quarks. That’s a circular argument, isn’t it? Then you don’t really have any scientific or physical evidence of the existence of quarks, do you? (That’s a rhetorical question; I already knew that.) However, isn’t that what you have been stating regarding the UFO/ET phenomenon? Except physical evidence does, indeed, exist in the latter case. Do you mean like the one that you give for quarks? Again, the left-hand-side of the equation does not equal to the right-hand-side of the equation, then it is not an equation. I didn’t define “Drake’s equation.” All of the factors in the “Drake’s equation” are based on assumptions. That formula is neither scientific nor mathematical. I agree. Would you like to suggest how to go about doing such investigation? Moontanman, I noticed that you use the word “silly” more than once to describe my sightings of UFOs. In what ways are they “silly”? May I cordially suggest not exercising “spin and dirty tricks” on me?

Clearly, there are too many incidences occurring in the world all of a sudden that cannot be explained with what human beings know so far, particularly during the past six decades or so. There are way too many sightings of UFOs and spaceships observed up close to dismiss them simply as “unknown, so leave it at that.” Many claims and attempts have been made to belittle abductees because they are, in fact, the proof that extraterrestrial beings are, indeed, present in the world carrying out some sinister activities. Abductees get in the way of those skeptics or disinformers who intend to keep the public ignorant and misled. Many of you in this thread dismiss anecdotal evidence as unreliable. Yet, most of the evidence is anecdotal because we’re dealing with extraterrestrial forces that have technology much more advanced than human beings'. Human technology is currently far too inferior to enable people to explore, analyze, and derive irrefutable conclusions regarding the phenomenon. However, if we continue to have the stance that sightings and abduction incidences cannot be explained with the science known to human beings and thus, should be disregarded,then humanity’s fate will be sealed. All of you who posted in this thread have made some remarks indicating abductees’ testimonies as unreliable or even belittling abductees as untrustworthy, drunkards, or even delusional. Isn’t it very strange though, that abductees, after having “abduction dreams” or “delusional episodes of seeing aliens,” all of a sudden sprout implants manufactured with extraterrestrial substance in their bodies? Mind you, these implants extracted aren’t some traces of extraterrestrial substance, but objects manufactured with precision made of extraterrestrial substances. Those of you scientifically inclined who won’t even accept the words of scientific evidence obtained by laboratories might want to ponder upon this: why did these “delusional drunkards” all of a sudden sprout out any implants at all, let alone implants engineered with precision manufactured out of extraterrestrial substances? If you’d care to read the testimonies of abductees in “Taken,” you’ll see that abductees aren’t some folks attempting to get five-minute fame or quick fortune, or drunkards. They are normal people like you and me from all walks of life, who just happened to be unfortunate victims of the Extraterrestrial Intervention. Some of them are even children who recall their abduction incidences which continued into their adulthood. They suffer psychological trauma not only from the abduction itself, but also from the fear of not knowing when they will get abducted again, feeling of isolation in the world unable to trust even their loved ones who dismiss them as having some sort of psychological issues, being ridiculed by the public and media when they bravely come forward to speak about them, and becoming marginalized in the society. Someone in the thread remarked that writing a book doesn’t mean that the authors are correct. I completely agree. However, Dr. Roger Leir is a surgeon who doesn’t have anything to gain by delving into the phenomenon by spending his time and even his own money to perform the extraction surgeries, renting surgical facilities, employing camera crews to document the whole surgical procedures, sending specimen extracted over to different laboratories for analysis (while ensuring that the lab people do not know where and how the implants were obtained), spending many hours speaking to people in various fields to confirm his findings, etc. YdoaPs, human memories are, indeed, unreliable. These abductees’ memories have been suppressed or even altered by their extraterrestrial abductors. If I were you, I wouldn’t bet a single penny on your claim that the implants are calcification or metal splinters though. Dr. Roger Leir sent implants he extracted from the abductees to be tested and analyzed by independent laboratories without telling them how and where they were obtained. All of them independently concluded that the implants were of extraterrestrial origin indicated by isotopic ratios, and “the form of the objects is clearly engineered and manufactured with precision rather than being a naturally occurring form. In short, we now have the “smoking gun” of ufology: hard physical evidence of an alien presence on Earth!” (Leir 161) However, they were not able to discern what the implants do yet. While I recognize that those who are scientifically inclined help propel research of the phenomenon by demanding scientific proofs, we must also recognize that extraterrestrial beings clearly have technology much more advanced than human beings'. The phenomenon humbled me to face the fact that humanity is neither alone nor preeminent beings in the universe, for I was very close-minded regarding UFO/ET phenomenon only several years ago. Swansont, you can try to connect various accounts and deduce your own conclusion: Millions of people have sighted UFOs globally, particularly in the last six decades or so. Some people including former presidents of the U.S. and air force officers as well as laymen around the world sighted extraterrestrial vehicles up close. Many people have endured experiences of abduction by extraterrestrials. Some of the abductees recall abduction incidences on their own. Implants extracted from the bodies of abductees have been tested and analyzed; they were objects engineered with precision and made of extraterrestrial substances Also, swansont, I do not blame scientists. I know that there are true scientists who would love to delve into the phenomenon, but cannot risk their reputations or careers. Some may even be impeded by the organizations they belong to, which cannot risk losing funding from private sources of otherwise, and thus, preclude their employees from doing any serious research into the phenomenon. Though it is my stance that at least, scientists should not use their credentials to misinform or mislead people, at the same time, I do not know their motives or circumstances for doing so. So no, I don’t blame them.

Actually, that is the ostensible idea. When people all over the world are sighting extraterrestrial vehicles (yes, some very up close), and people are being abducted (some even recall the abduction experiences), and people are supporting Drake’s “equation” to claim that we’re not alone is analogous to claiming that there is a chance, though not very good, that there could be thieves and rapists in the world. I agree. On the contrary, he is doing a good enough job of it. Do you really know his intent, or mine, for that matter? Isn’t that what he was doing throughout the clip? He even suggested that abductees should grab a souvenir from the spaceship “the next time they get abducted,” because then, he might be willing to speak with them. That is, he concluded that abduction phenomenon is non-existent. Otherwise, how much more callous can a person get? Please do some research on the phenomenon before “assigning an explanation – a conclusion.” Actually, the hypotheses that UFOs are extraterrestrial spaceships and extraterrestrials have been abducting people are not hypotheses or theories. They are reality. They cannot be tested by scientists or laymen because these extraterrestrial beings carry out their activities covertly and possess technology that is beyond current human technology. Please do not presume that physics known to human beings are at the peak of its evolution. Let me ask you the same question I asked three other people in this thread. What scientific proofs are you seeking regarding this phenomenon, given that they possess more advanced technology and carry out their activities clandestinely? Please read my response to Pwagon regarding the extraterrestrial implants removed from abductees. A scientist who is not willing to investigate strange events that are clearly occurring in the world is not a true scientist. I understand all the obstacles true scientists face in attempting to delve into the phenomenon more deeply, seriously, and earnestly. However, there also exist scientists who intentionally mislead people to keep them ignorant by exploiting the fact that these laymen rely on scientists - as experts - to provide them answers. If scientists don’t have answers, then they should explore further instead of making mockeries of abductees’ experiences and denying people’s sightings of UFOs is “not a good path to start down.” That is very unprofessional, to say the least. What is a UFO community? You make it seem as if UFO/ET phenomenon is occurring only to the “UFO community.” It is occurring globally. It concerns every one of seven billion some people including you and Neil deGrasse. Neil deGrasse is begging whom to do the research? Shouldn’t he do is himself, since he is an astrophysicist with all the high tech instruments and his expertise? So why don’t we disregard all the eyewitness’ testimonies and pretend that the UFO/ET phenomenon is not occurring, while people including children and babies are getting abducted? Could you honestly do that? It is a naïve stance to assume that the official stance of such organizations is the actual stance, in light of the phenomenon. You probably knew this, of course. Formed as an hypothesis, yes. Accepted as a theory, no. Yet, he also said that if people see unidentified flying objects, then it should stop there, instead of forming any hypotheses. Please do make up your mind, you and him both. Since you seem to have much credibility, please do provide “scientific evidence” or “physical evidence” of the existence of quarks. What do you think Neil deGrasse meant? It’s not that funny and they aren’t confirmed as hoaxes at all. Please do some further research on this, rather than reading one incidence of hoaxers. First, it is “Drake’s equation,” not “Drake’s inequality.” Also, if it is an inequality, the probability that intelligent life exists is anywhere between 0 and 1 according to the equation, and that doesn’t say much, does it? Anybody can tell you that. Here again, you’re trying to defend the equation, even by converting it to a useless inequality. I’m not sure how I have shown to be bad at guessing motives, since you don’t know what his motives are, either. Isn’t that so? You need to see beyond the seeming reality to see what is really occurring. Regarding Drake Equation…… here, if we are very honest, we will come to the conclusion that human beings cannot know anything about the realities of life in the universe. Carl Sagan explained the Drake Equation in a youtube video. I didn’t know there could be an equation that could determine the likelihood of the existence of intelligent extraterrestrial beings in our galaxy that may be interested in human beings and capable of navigating a vehicle to travel across the space to get to our world. Here, we realize that the only way an equation can be formulated is by guesses based on too many assumptions to be considered scientific. Human science has evolved only so much to make a crude guess at the number of stars in our Milky Way Galaxy and even cruder guess at the number of stars that have planets around them. What’s more, before taking a further even cruder guess at the number of planets that are capable of sustaining life per star, we need to realize that human beings cannot possibly guess what sort of conditions extraterrestrial creatures can survive or under what conditions extraterrestrial life or intelligent life can evolve. Further, we cannot possibly know what methods technologically advanced worlds would use to communicate and whether or not any of them desire to communicate with us. The assumption that they would use radio waves to broadcast their communications out into the space eagerly seeking any intelligent beings out there is born from human perspectives: naïve, hopeful, ignorant of life in the universe... We then realize that any equation formulated to attempt to take a very, very crude guess at the probability of any intelligent beings in the galaxy, that are able to communicate to us or travel to this planet would be a futile attempt. The only conclusion we can honestly reach is that human beings have not technologically evolved enough to travel into the space and do not have the vantage point from which to observe life in the universe. Again, regarding the Drake Equation.... it is intended to make a very crude, uneducated guess at the probability of the existence of an earth-like planet in a solar system like ours and of intelligent beings like human beings with similar desires as human beings who communicate via radio waves and are at a similar evolutionary stage and at a similar stage of technological development. It is not an equation that can be relied upon to determine the existence of intelligent beings in this galaxy or the universe, who can survive in very different conditions from those that human beings can, who have very different cultures, philosophies, values, ideologies, and desires from those of human beings, and who are at different evolutionary stages and at different stages of technological development, using different methods of communication from those that human beings use. The universe is filled with intelligent beings at every evolutionary stage conceivable. Those who have witnessed UFOs up close or even from a distance, or those who have had unfortunate, premature encounters with various aliens can attest to that fact to some degree. Could you please cite the source? Are you implying that there are extraterrestrial races present in the world or in the solar system that humanity can rely on?

Pwagon, in the Appendix I of the book “The Aliens and the Scalpel,” the author stated that “Persons interested in pursuing the details further may contact the author through the publisher. Research is on-going, and future reports may be available from other sources.” The address of the publisher is: The Book Three, P.O. Box 16476, San Diego, CA 92176. The labs and other organizations the author consulted include Health Line Clinical Laboratories, Inc., International College of Surgeons, The University of Texas at San Antonio, National Institute for Discovery Science, and New Mexico Tech. In the appendix are photocopies of biological analysis reports, metallurgical data, and experimental XRD patterns along with published patterns of possible cladding phases, as well as the letter from Los Alamos National Labs, lab reports from New Mexico Tech identifying elemental composition of unknown sample, etc. Swansont, an equation is not an equation if the left-hand-side and the right-hand-side do not equal. Drake makes way too many assumptions in arriving at his so-called equation. By the way, I wasn’t born yesterday. Please try not to defend someone simply because he’s someone you admire or because you share the same interests. Anybody else can see clearly that Neil deGrasse was trying to exercise “spin and dirty tricks” to the letter. Klaynos, please consult the author of the aforementioned book through the publisher, if you're interested.

Klaynos, please read the posts by “Split Infinity” above. Please read the book “Taken” by Dr. Karla Turner – it’s a book of collection of the testimonies by abductees, some of whom recall part of the abduction on their own. Also, please read the book “The Aliens and Scalpel” by Roger Leir who have been extracting extraterrestrial implants from abductees’ bodies. Pwagon, are you asking me to purchase the book for you? What are you saying? Or are you saying all of the laboratories that confirmed the implants as manufactured out of extraterrestrial substance are not unbiased third party?

The reports from the labs are in the aforementioned book. It's mindboggling how those skeptics who request scientific evidence will reject even scientific evidence. By the way, have you not read other people's posts in this thread?

“The Aliens and the Scalpel” is a book written by Dr. Roger Leir, a surgeon who has been extracting implants from abductees. When these implants were sent to independent laboratories, the results of their analysis proved to be of extraterrestrial nature. Here is a quote from the book:

Shouldn't you say that to Neil deGrasse? Once again, I will ask the same question that I've asked two other members in this thread. What would you consider "real evidence" or "scientific evidence"? I've noticed that scientifically inclined people tend to reject "anecdotal evidence" from an alien abduction survivors as non-real evidence. Do you seriously agree with Neil deGrasse who asked abductees to grab an item while onboard the spaceship? They are abducted generally out of their bed against their will and immobilized in the spaceships. If they could move as they will it, do you think they might not have screamed for help or, indeed, grab an item from the spaceship? How callous can you get? Anecdotal evidence is mostly what humanity has in figuring out about the Extraterrestrial Intervention. However, Dr. Roger Leir, a surgeon, has been extracting implants out of abductees’ bodies. He had them sent to independent laboratories which analyzed them; all of them concluded that they were made of extraterrestrial substance.

What exactly did you set out to prove? That I don't know who Neil deGrasse Tyson is? It's a shame that they would use an apparently well-known astrophysicist to exercise "spin and dirty tricks." Don't you think? Also, which information do you think I'm having difficulties taking in? Could you kindly explain all the "trolls" out there?

By Tyson, do you mean the boxer? Why is this relevant here? By the way, please read this book before accusing anyone of attempting a conspiracy theory. It is called "Taken" by Dr. Karla Turner, an abductee herself. The book is a collection of testimonies of abductees. http://www.viewzone.com/ebooks/KarlaTurnerTaken.pdf A true scientist wouldn't have possibly mentioned the Drake Equation as anything close to valid, for it is entirely unscientific and nonmathematical. I understand why scientists cannot delve into the UFO/ET phenomenon. However, scientists would not lose respect, if, at least, they would not dismiss millions of UFO sightings around the world in derogatory manner or treat abductees like mental cases.

pwagen, don't just state your opinion.

The astrophysicist Neil deGrasse in the video was an interesting fellow…contradictory, but a handsome and interesting fellow. He sort of reminded me of the handsome and charismatic Carl Sagan who had many friends in the positions of power in politics. He also said something like what Neil deGrasse said; he didn’t state whether we were being visited by aliens from outer space or not, but he made a video in which he attempted to “compute” the probability of intelligent beings in outer space who might wish to communicate with human beings, via Drake’s Equation – an equation that middle school student would find ludicrous. Yet, I’ve encountered people through forums such as this, who apparently considered themselves to be scientific and intelligent, would attempt to convince me that the possibility of intelligent beings existing in the universe is so low that it doesn’t concern us, according to the equation. Was Carl Sagan artificially elevated to the position of a “celebrated scientist” by certain individuals in the positions of power, in order to keep the public ignorant about the phenomenon? Is Neil deGrasse? By the same token, do you know of anyone such as Karla Turner who exposed the sinister hidden activities the extraterrestrials have been carrying out and became a victim of denigration meant to discredit him/her? Neil deGrasse sat in his chair with an air of embarrassment that he should even be responding to a topic such as the UFO/ET phenomenon, in his position as an astrophysicist. He had a big telescope stationed behind him to ensure that the audience recognized his standing as a scientist. Or was he possibly attempting to spot UFOs or a star in the studio/auditorium? He began with a joke that “I’m not authorized to answer that.” That is actually the only true statement he spoke in the course of that 11-minute video clip. He is NOT authorized to answer any questions on the UFO/ET phenomenon because his intention was to belittle witnesses and abductees and trivialize their testimonies and the phenomenon. Neil deGrasse dropped the title “psychologists” many times in his speech, in order to allude to the audience that UFO witnesses and abductees are mental cases. Neil deGrasse is employing that method to the letter in order to denigrate UFO witnesses and abductees. By the way, a psychologist major I spoke to about a light spot attaining a superluminal speed from a stationary position questioned me: “Are you sure you didn’t see a bird?” I’m not sure whether he even knew what superluminal speed was, but I do believe that he may need a psychologist if he believes that millions of people around the globe would mistake birds for UFOs. Another psychologist major I spoke to about UFO phenomenon told me that they [uFO witnesses] are all crazy. So millions of people all over the world have been going loco particularly in the last six decades? Hmmm…. Neil deGrasse also said that if people see a UFO, then it is “unidentified” so the conversation should stop there. Isn’t it odd that a scientist should say this? Human minds will tend to reason out and derive conclusions when they observe an incidence that cannot be explained. This is the first step of the scientific method: observe and form a hypothesis. If unidentified flying objects are immobile or moving in such ways that cannot possibly be explained away as weather phenomenon, atmospheric phenomenon, meteors, meteorites, airplanes, helicopters, or birds, then the next logical thing to hypothesize is that they must be extraterrestrial spaceships. Observing and forming hypotheses have been what people are taught to do as the first step of carrying out the scientific method. Yet, the scientist encourages people to stop at the observation and move on with their lives. Should they? Yes, I mean the scientists. Should they stop at the observation and move on with their lives? Could they do so as scientists? They’re more interested in watching stars far away in the universe than the strange phenomenon of UFOs occurring right here in our world. How could they possibly? It’s quite absurd. He also said that the public has the “burning need to have the answer to what is unknown.” Ummm…isn’t that the very need all scientists have? Isn’t that why they became scientists? Shouldn’t that be their attitude? Yet, with millions of sightings all over the world with evidence that have been mounting over the past six decades, he sat there in a chair complacently and told the audience that they shouldn’t try to seek any answer to what is unknown - apparently because such strange phenomenon does not interest scientists such as himself? They would spend enormous amount of money on high-tech devices to observe stars that are light years away, which have no immediate bearing on our lives, but he casually dismisses the UFO phenomenon occurring in our world as just “unknown phenomenon,” the event which laymen should not even bother to delve into, let alone the scientists themselves? Hmmm…. Interesting….contradictory but interesting…. Neil deGrassed said that “the lowest form of evidence in this world is eyewitness evidence,” although these are used to determine people’s fate in the court of law. He even had a second-grade boy ready at a microphone to demonstrate that ear-witness is unreliable, in order to suggest that those who rely on the testimonies of other witnesses of UFOs are less intelligent than second-grade elementary school students. He even mentioned that camera/video evidences are not acceptable, either. Since extraterrestrial spaceships can travel at such unearthly high velocities, the only way authentic photos or videos can be produced is if the UFO witnesses happen to have a camcorder or cameras handy by chance at the time they were sighting. I certainly didn’t have any such devices handy when I sighted UFOs. However, don’t these scientists have access to high-tech equipment (satellites, high resolutions telescopes, etc.) to observe such incidences around the clock and record them? If not, since, apparently, none of the scientists have ever sighted UFOs, they really don’t have any authorities to even speak about the phenomenon, do they? He stated that witness’ testimonies, photos, and videos do not satisfy any scientists’ requirements as evidence. Witness’ testimonies, photos, and videos cannot satisfy their requirements? Aren’t these the same people who totally believed the Einstein’s relativity theory that “prohibits” any objects from travelling at superluminal speed, the theory that was not even formed from empirical data? Aren’t these the same people who believe in space-time warp and wormholes, even though there were absolutely no empirical data to support their theories? Aren’t these the same people who created a whole quantum theory based on the existence of quarks that have never been observed but imagined? So, in order to satisfy their requirements of evidence, people must come up with some outlandish theories rather than providing actual physical evidences or testimonies based on observations? Science certainly has changed a lot, hasn’t it? Do you find it ludicrous that these scientists are the ones who should get excited beyond words to have such strange phenomenon as UFO/ET phenomenon to investigate and delve into, and yet, they are the ones more nonchalant about it than laymen? He also mentioned “optical illusion” as “brain failure” in his attempt to brainwash the pacified audience that UFO witnesses have mistaken “optical illusory” incidences as UFOs and that their brains have failed them because they were seeing such incidences. Try telling this to millions of witnesses all around the globe. How odd that, all of a sudden, modern people with all they know cannot even distinguish UFOs from birds or light glows around clouds… Neil deGrasse questioned why extraterrestrial spaceships always land on farmers’ lands instead of Times Square. Then he made a mocking joke with a person sitting next to him that perhaps it did land on Times Square, but people didn’t even notice it. He obviously read a thing or two about crop circles that cannot be explained away, so he made a mockery out of it. People seem to feel empowered by making mockeries out of and laughing at things that they cannot explain. The Extraterrestrial Intervention is here to conquer the world covertly. They will not land their spaceships in a crowded place such as Times Square……until they have already attained their goal and are ready to present themselves to the public. Should such happen, that would be an indication that it would be too late for humanity to do anything to thwart their agenda. Neil deGrasse went on to speak about Roswell incidence that everyone on the planet seems to know about because it was perhaps the first UFO crash incidence that was covered completely in all the media, as it happened. Yet, after the Pacification Program was initiated evidently, the incidence was denied as never having taken place or the evidence of which was regarded as unclear or invalid, with many documents sprouting afterwards that “prove” such stances. He also went on to denigrate abductees and trivialize ET phenomenon. He made a mocking suggestion to abductees that the next time they get abducted, they should tell the extraterrestrial abductors to “look over there” and snatch some object on the spaceship as evidence. He jokingly stated that, then, he’d be interested in talking to them about alien abduction. People are abducted against their will, physically immobilized, their memories suppressed or replaced, physically probed and experimented, sexually raped by extraterrestrials, forced to have intercourse with other abductees, and psychologically and mentally damaged and/or controlled. They are not only sexually raped by the extraterrestrial abductors, but also by fellow human beings such as Neil deGrasse and his pacified audience and followers who laugh and clap at his jokes and mockeries of them. In the interim, people continue to get abducted, who cope with psychological, physical, and mental trauma which resulted from their abduction episodes, and live in constant fear of not knowing when they may get abducted again. How inhuman are such people who ridicule their fellow human beings suffering as unfortunate victims of the phenomenon? How foolish are they to help the Extraterrestrial Intervention in such manner! Do they realize that any one of them could be the next victim to get abducted by these extraterrestrial beings? Do they realize that their loved ones could be the next victim to get abducted?

Externet, I'm not really sure what you're trying to get at. My answer is still the same. Please note that I'm not here to play some sort of game or deal with playing at words.

I didn't know that. I will do that in the future. Thank you for letting me know, ydoaPs.

Could you tell me whether this forum is requesting all members to provide proofs of every statement they made in their posts in all threads and under every topic? Shall I go through each one of them and point out every single topic that doesn’t provide proofs of their arguments? Out of curiosity, do you close them down as well? Perhaps you can enlighten us with what those “disappearing light” imply then? Simply dismissing observations because you cannot explain is also an act of not providing any proof of your statement. If you believe that “anecdotal sighting” of UFOs do not lead to valid conclusion that it was extraterrestrial in nature, perhaps you could listen to the testimonies of the air force officers who have sighted UFOs up close within yards and testified that they had to come to a conclusion that they were extraterrestrial spaceships. How does one go about seeking what sort of evidence when scientists ignore such incidences observed by millions of people all over the world? A true scientist should jump at the chance of exploring this phenomenon because it is so abnormal, to say the least. Why do scientists simply ignore the phenomenon when they can’t even provide explanations of the phenomenon? What they cannot explain, they should explore further, not ignore them. Isn’t that so? These are rhetorical questions, for I already know the answers. Frankly, I don’t blame them for not exploring further. However, isn't it unethical to dismiss people’s observations simply because they cannot be explained? You’re trying to close a thread because you don’t want to hear about the phenomenon that would have you face the fact certain theories that have been upheld may require reevaluation. What is wrong with reevaluating, if need be? That is what TRUE scientists do. I have asked the forum members to keep an open mind regarding the topic in my initial post in the thread. I’ll ask again; please keep an open mind about this. It has very detrimental consequences to entire humanity, if you keep your mind closed about it and choose to remain ignorant about the topic. Externet, first, I cordially suggest not making any assumption about my gender. No, I have no intention of writing any letters or a book, for that matter, about what I know. Public media are owned and controlled by a few individuals in commerce; they can easily be controlled by certain factions. So, I would take different routes to raise awareness of the phenomenon. I just asked “swansont” above and I’ll ask the same question to you. What do you consider concrete proofs regarding this phenomenon? Regarding the second question, I’d be guessing, but I’d say 100%, if not close to it. Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter have sighted UFOs - yes, the former presidents. In the case of Jimmy Carter, he sighted a UFO up close within yards simultaneously with 20 to 30 of his neighbors in his neighborhood. You can find youtube videos of their testimonies. The Cold War ended suddenly because Ronald Reagan and Gorbachev realized that Russia and U.S. must cooperate in order to deal with the “visitation” by extraterrestrial beings that was occurring in the world. You can also find youtube videos of his talking about this fact at a meeting with Gorbachev. What I know about this phenomenon came from the book “The Allies of Humanity”: http://www.alliesofhumanity.org/allies-of-humanity-book1.pdf. (This book is free to download.) This is an urgent warning regarding the Extraterrestrial Intervention. Here is a book titled “Taken” by an author named Dr. Karla Turner who was also an abductee: http://www.viewzone.com/ebooks/KarlaTurnerTaken.pdf. (This book is also free to download.) The book is a collection of testimonies by abductees. Karla Turner and her husband had been abducted multiple times, which led her to become a researcher on the subject of abduction by extraterrestrials. When she became an influential figure in the field, she was threatened for her work, and then she contracted an unusual, “fast-acting” cancer and suddenly died at the age of 48. Here is a quote from the book: Here is another book titled “The Aliens and the Scalpel” (which, as far as I know, is not available to download for free) by Dr. Roger Leir, a surgeon who has been extracting implants from abductees. When these implants were sent to independent laboratories, the results of their analysis proved to be of extraterrestrial nature. Here is a quote from the book: We cannot simply sweep this phenomenon under the rug, just so we can return to the easy life and hang on to old theories a little longer. If there were an undeniable, absolute, concrete proof that extraterrestrial beings are “visiting” because they presented themselves to the public, then it would be an indication that they succeeded in conquering the world. The Extraterrestrial Intervention has been well underway for quite some time unbeknownst to most humanity. We need to help each other in raising awareness, not argue over it. It has been argued over for many decades now. When it is too late, it will be too late. Humanity must take actions now.

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Yes, so again, which UFO sightings from the past am I embarrassing you with uninformed inaccuracy? The five UFOs I described were from my own experience of sighting, if those are what you mean. I have done enough searching online; I have sighted enough UFOs. I have no doubt that the extraterrestrials are here, for I even know of people who have been abducted. Would you believe the testimonies of U.S. presidents, of air force officers or astronauts, of well-known entertainers, or of your neighbors? These extraterrestrials are invading our planet covertly. What sort of evidences would be credible to you? Because the society has conditioned people to dismiss other people’s UFO sightings with various excuses, people become less and less willing to talk about their sightings and their abduction incidences. This further keeps people in the dark about the phenomenon, which is exactly how the extraterrestrials clandestinely invading our world would want people to be. Let me ask you. Have you actually attained the evidence yourself in a laboratory? Or are you relying on an equation that was not even obtained from empirical data? I’m sure you are aware of the CERN lab? It is an enormous underground lab built to accelerate tiny little particles to the luminal speed. Do you think they built the lab to see if a particle can actually be accelerated to the luminal speed despite “a vast body of evidence confirming” otherwise, or have they built it because they already knew that they would be able to achieve that speed? Yes, while raising awareness on the street, I have met quite a few science majors who tried to convince me that I shouldn’t trust what I sighted. One guy even tried to persuade me that I mistook a helicopter as the stationary UFO I sighted, even though I told him all of these objects were completely silent. At any rate, I have never sighted an airplane that emitted such brilliant light, nor have I ever sighted one that remained completely stationary and silently. Very likely flawed in what ways? Why do you dispute my sightings, if you weren’t even there? I found out later that there have been millions of sightings globally. It is estimated that about 5 to 10% of the world population has sighted UFOs. This was actually verified to me because about 10 to 15% of the hundreds of people I spoke to sighted UFOs. Yet, if you have difficult time believing my experiences of sighting UFOs, perhaps you might want to try listening to the testimonies of air force officers who have actually sighted not some brilliant lights or light beams in the sky, but actual extraterrestrial spaceships up close within yards. They were able to describe the color, shape, and size of these stationary vehicles that would hover absolutely silently right above nuclear weapon storages for hours at a time. So did the object all of a sudden cease to reflect light? I was standing on the ground and the object was very, very far away, i.e., the change of angle would have made very little difference in how “efficiently” it reflected the light. What do you suppose changed that made the object emit unearthly brilliant light, then leave brilliant trail of light that tapered off, mind you, and then suddenly, ceased to reflect light? Tusk, tusk, tusk…. You can come up with a better excuse than that, if you want to dismiss my experiences. If you’re scientifically inclined, then you would know that one counterexample nullifies a theory. Well, there are many people who have sighted UFOs “ceasing to efficiently reflect light to [their] positions on the ground” all over the world. That is, there are many, many counterexamples. Which movies would that be? I am not into sci-fi books or movies.

Could you clarify which statement(s) you’re referring to? Do you know what an object would look like if it reached a superluminal speed? I saw a very brilliant spot of light in the sky on a very clear day, which was quite stationary when I noticed it. Then suddenly it left a trail of brilliant light which was wide at the location where it was stationary, and then the trail tapered off and “poof” disappeared when it achieved a superluminal speed. This was not the same object I sighted as the one that reached a superluminal speed. This one was moving towards the ground when I was driving down a mountain, while the one that reached a superluminal speed disappeared.

This topic is going to stir up quite a bit of controversy in this community. However, I feel it is important to raise awareness of the phenomenon everywhere even if it isn't welcomed. We need to keep an open mind and recognize that human science has not reached the peak of its evolution. I have sighted five UFOs: three (fuchsia, blue, and golden) huge lights on the positions of vertices of a triangle; they were completely stationary for at least fifteen minutes. a brilliant light which reached a superluminal speed within a second or two from a completely stationary position in the sky. a brilliant light which "jumped" from one place to another in the sky, and then disappeared. a dark spherical object with a "band" in the equatorial region with dots on the band a thick brilliant beam of light travelling at a very high speed They were "unidentified flying or stationary objects" in the sky. Such objects were sighted by many millions of people globally. One of my neighbors has sighted a huge extraterrestrial spaceship fly right above our building. Air force officers all over the world have sighted extraterrestrial spaceships up close within yards, which would hover over or remain stationary over nuclear weapon storages for hours at a time. I have spoken to hundreds of people on the street raising awareness of the phenomenon. I'd say about 10 to 15% of the people I spoke to have sighted UFOs and a larger percentage of people know of people who have sighted UFOs. I even spoke with people who have been abducted by extraterrestrial beings. I would like to know whether people in this forum have sighted any UFOs or have had other experiences pertaining to the phenomena.