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NASA is dead, the future is independent space flight. In the same way commercial airlines reduced the cost of travel, commercial space flights will increase the space program beyond NASA's possible rate of expansion. It's just time for the private sector to take over, NASA has had it's day.

Oil in the US = Cheap. Oil in Europe and Asia = Expensive. Cheap = keep buying it. Expensive = look for something cheap.

Ethnic cleansing is not acceptable. Not in any society. Ever.

It's one of the basic reasons state sanctioned executions do not take place in almost all democratic countrys, and is a very valid point.

No, you misunderstand. The term 'Liberal' in the UK does not mean right wing, so in the context of this thread about UK govenments Liberal will take the UK meaning of the word. It's called context, use it. English use of words equates to common usage in England, not in America. American's incorrect use of words creates americanisms, which are not adopted into English. It doesn't really matter, your crass attempts to discredit the report are based on your knowlage of american govenment, which have no bearing or reference to English govenments nor this report. I'm conservative, and it's not attacking my ideals. Perhaps this problem stems from the fact the report is English and you are Amercian, the two versions of conservative govenments are different and in different countrys. They are talking about British govenment, which we have covered and agreed you know very, very little about. Read it yourself, and no I don't have access to all material relating to sucide just because I work in the area. That's a moronic thing to suggest. How would you propose I did that without setting up my own study, which would use the same scientific methods to come to the same conclusion? Funny, all I see is someone blindly defending a govenment that is not under attack. The report was from a university, produced by scientists and cross checked by an Australian university. The pressure is on you to disprove what's being said with more than handwaving, not on the report to somehow become more substancial. It's a study of suicide rates, why would anyone waste 3 years just to make some bizzare political point? Don't you think someone might have pointed out any assumptions and wild linkes? The main issue is the rise in suicide rates. My issue with you is your lack of knowlage about UK govenments. The link to the US was speculation, not the link into the UK. Stop using strawmen. Your ignorance is not a reason to damn a report, now is it? The government controls the welfare state, it has everything to do with them. It's not the tree elves who look after society. Fine, pop off and get yourself more credentials than the research scientists and then you can talk about influence in scientific studys. I do think your lying about your involvement in the Army, but that's not the issue under discussion. I can think you are a big fat commmunist pinko for all the relevence it has, you still don't know enough about UK govenments to make any sort of informed opinion and you are still ignoring the issue of suicide to turn this into a political debate.

I'm stupid, therefore my answer to everything is 'God did it'.

Jesus, what's the point of this thread?

The cost of the benifit is that the public pay for this process through VAT, making the export/import of oil a dual form of taxation. It's underhand, weasley and wrong.

In the UK, the Liberals are on the right. They are called the Liberal Democrats. http://www.libdems.org.uk/ The word 'Liberal' means open minded, willing to take on other opinions, ready to accept change, free from bias, not restrained by rules, not strict etc. However, political motivations are not a factor in a scientific study of the effects of government policies in society. The report simply point out the link between the British Governments and suicide rates, and explains why this occurs. The only people blinded by political leanings are people like you, misinterpreting a British study of British society on some sort of obscure attack on Bush. Yes, well, actually no. The conservatives in the US are loosley based around the conservatives in the UK, but that's about it. Michael Howard is not George Bush Jnr, and the polices do not match. The UK is run by democratic parliament, the Conservatives in the US are a different animal because of that. Democracy in the UK, for instance, is separate from religion. What they have outlined in the report is that the conservative ideology builds a individualistic, "winner-takes-all" society. This means that people on the boundaries, the unemployed or disenfranchised, are more isolated by government policy. Basically, the UK Conservative government takes the view that if you cannot work then you are not a valid member of society. Now, propagating that view will make already clinically depressed people feel a lot more isolated. That really doesn't take much more explanation. A lot of the more hopeless people who commit suicide are people who feel they have no future. If your unemployed and the government has made it clear that it sees you as a burden on society, the result is quite clear. Isolated and put on the scrap heap, that section of society will see suicides increase. Lets take the army issue and go off on a tangent. There is a high suicide rate in ex-army staff compared to the general society. the reason for this is the armed forces creates a community that operates as an extended family. They provide food, shelter, support and close knit family groups. When people leave the armed forces, they lose the community and instantly feel more isolated. The skills an ex army soldier has are not in high demand in the outside world and they are no longer in a family unit that provides for the needs of the individual. It's quite common for ex-solders to suffer from depression while making this massive adjustment to normal society. The transition of a person from the armed forces into normal life is a microcosm of the transition in society from a Government that tends to the needs of the people, and one that encourages them to be independent. The effects are the same, only the scales are different. 'Them' being qualified unbiased scientists and 'liberal' meaning perfectly normal, then yes. I never said that. I said I didn't like you belittling human suffering so you can make crass political statments. I don't see why I would damn Conservatives, I am a Conservative. My family is Conservative, my grandfather was a Conservative Councilor and a Conservative Mayor. My family has been Conservative supporters for hundreds of years, our support predates the existence of the United States and goes back to the signing of the Magna Carta. For the last time, they are scientists. They are not some insidous plot to overthow the Conservatives. They are pointing out a valid and obvious link. The report is showing the data and descriping the link, all your doing is handwaving. Because you have never met me in real life. Other people on the forum know me in real life, and so I've no particular need to prove myself to be telling the truth or not. However, I'm sure someone would pull me up if I was lying. That gives me credence that you don't have.

Laughably, although the UK is the 9th largest producer of oil we also import almost all our domestic oil. We have some of the highest petrol prices in the world :-/ At least we will still be producing oil in 2025, when the rest of the reserves are predicated to be exhausted.

That you have imagination.

1) Create biomonkey army 2) Own a Hovercar 3) Own a Jetpack 4) Attach wings to biomonkeys 5) Have a neural interface for down/uploading information directly into the brain 6) Travel the space elevator 7) See a cheap, quick method of housing be created and used 8) Spacefarms tm created to end food shortages 9) Monitors attached to the body that inform the relevent people of the wearers medical problems as they occur 10) A gizmo that explains why and what we are. 11) Cost free source of near limitless energy produced 12) More biomonkeys

I thought the toilet was just being affected by atmospheric pressure, but that might just be in my head.

Right, lets spell this out for you. The United Kingdom is a different country to the United States. The report was from the United Kingdom and Australia, it focused on trends in the United Kingdom that were reflected in New South Wales. This is why the report highlighted governments that were lead by Harold MacMillan, Ramsay McDonald, David Lloyd George and Tony Blair. If you can't curb your Republican dogma enough to realise that there is a different govenment and society in the UK, you have no hope of understanding the impacts the report is highlighting. Drivel. Read the report and comment, not the bloody summary news article. Wrong Army, wrong country, wrong continent, wrong government, wrong politics. No. Not only do I think you are lying, even if you were not it would not make an iota of difference to the effects of political societies on the suicidal elements in humanity. I work with suicidal people. I happen to think studies that will help to highlight issues leading to suicides are a good thing. I do not like to seem them highjacked to push a republican point of view across.

Heh, someone wrenched the controls for the camera away from me. I think one of the squid is intelligent O_o

Well, the US military might follow that trend but I'm not sure it's a great universal rule. I'm not sure the UK military is right wing, and it's a UK/Australian based theory referencing trends in Europe rather than the US.

So, your argument is Right Wing Governments are a little better than homicidal dictators, so we should feel happy?

Why would God bother to do that?

Surfer pal's band website. The songs are rather fine, if you have time to kill. http://www.theblims.com/Download.htm Be all like "yeah, I was into them before they were famous". Or something. And they swear bit too.

We have a different meaning behind the word liberal, so your probably right. In the UK, liberal means open-minded. The idea of open-minded bias doesn't really exist. But we are great. Super great.

Flute, recorder, and I have a guitar gathering dust that I've played once.

Congratualtions, you have a political system that passes all the power to the Media.

Man is inherently self absorbed, and so is naturally inclined to lie. Language and religion are not at fault, it' s human nature.

It's a trick using forced perspective. Makes the picture look more lifelike.