Frog

Thanks, your link helped a lot. I didn't really understand it but now I know the relationship I was looking for was 'redundancy' to message, and this will vary depending on the code used.

Possibly a better way to ask the question would be, can a system ever describe itself? Edit No that's silly, just ignore it until I find out how to delete it.

For instance if x is one bit of information, how many similar bits (y) are necessary to describe x ? *It seem obvious that y > x, I just wanted to know had any rules been established. This would be done without using compression, predictions, sets or subsets, and each bit of information must be individually described. *Could a clone be considered as a valid description, in the physical or theoretical sense? Would this mean the smallest possible uncompressed description of a system can be no smaller than the system itself? Btw I know very little about computer science, physics or maths so a link to a '________ for dummies' site would not be considered inappropriate.

For instance if x is one bit of information, how many similar bits (y) are necessary to describe x ? *It seem obvious that y > x, I just wanted to know had any rules been established. This would be done without using compression, predictions, sets or subsets, and each bit of information must be individually described. *Could a clone be considered as a valid description, in the physical or theoretical sense? Would this mean the smallest possible uncompressed description of a system can be no smaller than the system itself. Btw I know very little about computer science, physics or maths so a link to a '________ for dummies' site would not be considered inappropriate.