Bettina

I certainly cannot provide evidence of anything outside our universe and it was "Bettina theory" not scientific theory. I just have my vision and pov. I hope my line of questioning doesn't upset anyone or get 5614 in trouble for trying to help me, and he has helped me, because I don't want to be thought of as a jerk or get some warnings because I can't prove anything. If it seems that way to anyone, I hope they tell me so I can have a chance to stop.

In my case, the trauma I went thru relating to what my mother did to me when I was young no longer bothers me. The physco still thinks it does and is wasting my time because he doesn't understand anything else. I think he was schooled in just one thing and is sticking to it. I know I have normal emotions, but becoming what I am viewing is what I want stopped. Very simple equation.....emotion plus whatever.....just needs to be separated. Now that its getting dark earlier, I will have more time to read the data I've collected. Bettina

EXACTLY! But, be careful. When I say nothing or void, I mean nothing as a something that is not part of our universe. Consider this nothing as infinite in all directions. There is nothing beyond this void. It is the ultimate vessel of nothing. Endless without curvature or boundaries. It is the bottom layer of the entire scenario. The king of infinity. Now consider this nothing as having wierd particles of energy. Something happens and one of these particles explodes and gives birth to what we call our universe. Our universe is an envelope of another form of energy and matter expanding rapidly into this nothing. This nothing or void does not change as our universe expands and our universe is infinitesemel in this void just as if you blew up a balloon outside in your yard. The balloon did not change the air around it but exists within it.

The true answer is not important anymore. I just wanted to be clear with myself that in the very beginning when our universe was just energy, it indeed had a center. I understand now thru sheer size and non-uniformity, that the center is lost for good and no longer exists. Almost. That perimeter separates our space,time,matter,energy,etc, (our universe) from the unknown that is beyond our perimeter. I know they all say that there is no void or nothing else but our universe, but I have a very hard time understanding why there couldn't be. Thanks for the replys and most of all the understanding where I was coming from even though I may be way out in left field. I want to learn the facts, but until they arrive, I don't want to stop having my own visions...especially when I lay on my lawn and look up. Me

Yes Sir!! Ok....then could it be that the universe had a center when it was infinitesimaly small, but because of inconsistencies, the universe expanded in a way that was not uniform, thus the center is lost. Do you think at one time it had? ------

Maybe its semantics again. Our universe is only infinite if there is no boundary. But like you said, only suppose you could travel faster than photons, if you can travel in one direction and come to an area where there is no longer any matter or energy, wait there awhile, then see matter and energy catch up and pass you, then its that "edge" of our universe that has just passed you. If the "void" or "nothing" that we are expanding into, and yes, I still believe that, It could be an infinite void that has no beginning or edge. What do you think.... Thanks for helping me understand even though I am confused by some things. So far I understand what swansont explained to me , what the meaning of "everywhere at the same time" meant, and its not what the statement really implied which is why I was confused but now I understand that part. Bettina

I don't think its a contradictory statement at all. According to Wiki....The universe is the whole spacetime continuum in which we exist' date=' together with all the energy and matter within it.[/i'] My personal pov still thinks that our infinate universe is expanding into a larger infinite void. Too many people are quick to say that we are unique and there is no outside, but I just can't. Bettina

Ok...but just because it is commonly accepted that there is nothing outside our universe doesn't mean its correct. I always believed that we are not unique and that this universe is expanding into something. Infinite means without end, so why can't our universe be infinitely expanding into something that is infinitely bigger. A big nothing that has infinite room. This is what I believe, since the singularity happened in this infinite nothing. NOw....what about my other questions 1 and 2. Bettina

Yoo Hoo.......Hello? Bettina

Geez....thats so sad. Sorry . Dont wait too long, there are cheap laptops out there now, and you could use the ones at school too. Bettina

I've been reading this link. http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101bb2.html and it has the following paragraph. Please avoid the following common misconceptions about the Big Bang and expansion: The Big Bang did not occur at a single point in space as an "explosion." It is better thought of as the simultaneous appearance of space everywhere in the universe. That region of space that is within our present horizon was indeed no bigger than a point in the past. Nevertheless, if all of space both inside and outside our horizon is infinite now, it was born infinite. If it is closed and finite, then it was born with zero volume and grew from that. In neither case is there a "center of expansion" - a point from which the universe is expanding away from. In the ball analogy, the radius of the ball grows as the universe expands, but all points on the surface of the ball (the universe) recede from each other in an identical fashion. The interior of the ball should not be regarded as part of the universe in this analogy. I understand the ball analogy and know theres nothing inside the ball, but still have a problem with "everywhere" especially when they present this line to me... "That region of space that is within our present horizon was indeed no bigger than a point in the past." Maybe its semantics that is confusing me. I'm not saying that the big bang was the birth of our universe in space, I am saying that if in the beginning there was nothing, no space or time, then space-time appeared from a single point and rapidly expanded, isnt that an "explosion" or big bang? Bettina

This is what I read too, but I just can't visualize it because it doesn't make any sense. I've read about branes, and strings, and I'm a tough sell on that too. I think the universe is simpler than that. What Klaynos said above makes me ponder.... I know I have a lot to learn about this, but I can only go with my own feelings until I read more about it, but I visualize space exploding from a single point....not everywhere at once.... in the form of a "pure energy envelope", that rapidly expanded in all directions...like a balloon that was instantly inflated. This expansion of space and time was much faster than the speed of light and for that first instant, it was all energy. Another form of energy followed, only much slower than the speed of light, giving way to the matter we see today, that is still travelling in this envelope. I know I'm off the wall, but I'm still learning and have always had a tough time with "everything at the same time". I would appreciate any links to articles...I read them all. Bettina Bettina

I know thru Einsteins equation that energy and mass are interchangeble, and I was taught that at the first instant of "creation" or "big bang", there was nothing but pure energy. In the next instant this energy begins converting into particles, antiparticles, etc, then matter, but I still have a problem with "everywhere at the same time". When the gym teacher turns on the lights in the gym, everything is illuminated everywhere in the gym at once. However, I know it doesn't. When he throws that switch, I can visualize light starting at the lamps, eminating thru the air, and finally reaching the walls until everything is illuminated. It didn't happen everywhere at the same time. Light didn't reach the far wall ahead of the hoop in front of it. All the books I read still says everywhere at the same time and it bugs me. Bettina

Ok...I have to get this clear in my mind. What is meant by " The big bang happened everywhere"...and at the same time. Bettina

Geez....I'm blushing. I can't pick any names because everytime I start making a list I get afraid to leave someone out, so I stop. I like all you guys. Bettina

We think alike...and I would fight you so I could push the button first. Bettina

I was on a game forum and someone raised the issue that Newtons law of gravity is not a law anymore because of "Minkowski's Space". I said it was still a law and when I googled it everywhere I still see Newtons law of gravity as still a law. Is it still? Bettina

Why are you not using closing tags like [/b' date='] and [/i,'] ? Bettina

Assuming you mean me, I've been swimming a lot and keeping myself active. My summer park job comes to an end in a few more weeks, then its back to school. I really liked that job. My problems were bad this month especially when I read what the BTK killer did to that little girl. That got me a little sick, but not like the others. I made sure not to go back and read it again. I also have a "pillow speaker" that plays music while I sleep then it turns off. I'm still nowhere. Bettina

Well, my dad won't let me out after dark. Thats pretty much it. Bettina