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HAH... There are always categories that we don't want to be apart of. In this case, its more scientific than spiritual. Part of the reason why I mentioned enlightenment earlier is because that you can take a variety of cosmological concepts that you "subscribe to" and mush them together to create a perspective of science that seems somewhat spiritual. This whole concept feels like the presence of consciousness creating tactile reality, rather than tactile reality creating the presence of consciousness. But I arrive there through science, not meditation, religion, or spirituality. Because these implications were inferred through scientific cosmologies. What I mean to say is that most scientists would say that the belief in ghosts or apparitions is a completely repugnant concept. unless someone comes along with some weird finding about the natural world that opens the door for that possibility. But at that point its not ghosts or apparitions, its something that we can create in a laboratory. Imagine for a moment that "reality" is a TV recording on a vhs cassette , and your watching this tv show, and the tape is twisted in certain places, what happens is that the image gets distorted for a moment and then goes back to normal. But until someone discovers the illusive vhs cassette, crackpots will continue to preach about ghosts, which is still repugnant because its like confusing H2S04 with H20 the difference is the understanding chemistry provides us, with that we know not to drink from a hot spring.

See what I mean, the really smart ones come out of hiding. How can I entertain your response? Should I entertain your response? Yeah man, i'm really talking about "university" equipment. :/ Are you serious? Do you comprehend what it takes to capture a neutrino!!? We virtually have to go miles under the earths surface and create things like this ---> http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/9906/sudbury_sno_big.jpg just to provided a very general understanding of particle physics. It's not the first time anyone made a joke about the large hard-on either, if rich. dawkin can do it I can. He's just a biologist anyway. And I think the jetson's are a fine example of what we should be working towards as our next evolutionary step. Does that resonate with you Elroy? Furthermore, planet's are not very stable places cosmologically speaking... Unless you want to turn this into a debate of weather or not we can survive, that's an entirely different thread.

Yes. And we are at a point where we HAVE TO implement technologies to infer new science... At this stage technology is so far behind theoretical science and the cosmologies within; that without the implementation of new technology we cant draft measurements, conduct experiments, or gather new data... We are at a point in our evolution where new ideas in science are only left to speculation, leaving us at the mercy of technology to drive us forward. Sadly, our best hope for physics for the next 10-15 years is the large hard-on Collider. In the past it has always been that science can provide new information that improves technology from electricity, to computer processors, to fiber optics, to rotating superconductors at area 51...... 'in turn' that technology improves science. I feel that humanity is in a sort of stalemate position between science and technology, and worse its occurring during a time of exponential growth of human population. Which is sad because if we are not living in the clouds like the Jetson's in 50 years we will not survive the upcoming civil and or natural devastations.

I'm assuming everyone replying here is enlightened and smarter than a PHD. Well at least we established the "enlightened ones"... I am speculating that evolution is a type of "natural selection" of parallel universes. It could be that this "natural selection" process is the experience of consciousness. So the one electron is creating the whole universe, all parallel universes, consciousness, and what we think of as evolution. It would seem that all these things are in a 1:1 relationship with the electron. Curious...

Yes your right. What i'm saying is that you probably wouldn't understand it; educated people do not necessarily qualify as intellectuals. Intellectuals do not necessarily qualify as having wisdom. And wise people do not necessarily have enlightenment. Enlightened individuals have a deeper understanding, and they are few and far in-between. To be enlightened is a gift, for those that know themselves, know the world they live in, which can not be discovered merely through long division. There is a state of understanding that science has not evolved into. You can use concepts of existing sciences to sort of pave the way into a new understanding, but an understanding of one particular aspect of something is not enlightenment. Enlightenment is real, and there are very gifted people who want to share their views in a way that will bring the understandings together. The problem with science is that everything has to be measurable. And everything has to be explainable, for a "theory" of something to hold validity. And that is a problem because there are so many things an enlightened person can understand easily, but can never be explained because it is ineffable. And therefore cannot be endorsed by a scientist that polarizes algebra and wisdom. What I have not said is that its my intention to seem pompous. To me, being able get a scientific community to admit that lack of understanding... That an eastern mindset has merit.

Preamble: This piece comes with a tenured understanding and perspective that not every PHD has. One would have to understand the maturing phase of relativistic thinking. Only someone who is old enough to understand for example where both the eastern school of thought arrives, and western schools of thought collides, and how they can be woven together and made to work. Someone like that would be my intended readers. One of the things that I like to get people to understand about the reality is that you have a certain level of control within that reality. I will try to go ahead and explain how certain leaps of understanding are made to get you to these basic laws. For now we will call these law's "the illegitimate child theory" 1. Energy, Frequency, and Vibration make up everything, particles do not exist. Particles only seem to illuminate into existence /within a vicinity of consciousness --> explained later./. However, we subscribes to wave particle duality, with the exception that particles only exist once they need to be observed and thats it. This can be explained with a combination of Max Plank E=hf and Richard Feynman's "One Electron Universe" but in this case the electron dances through all the possible multi-verses. You can think of it like the discharge of lighting how plasma is visible for a moment, and then quickly disappears as equivalent to the momentary "expression" of a particle. (Note: It's not that I want to use the 4th state of matter to explain what this would "be like" because we are dealing with electrons, we probably can never have the language to explain something like an electron.) 2. Consciousness creates reality. Reality is illuminated in the wake of consciousness (This is the same in principle as turning on your flashlight in a dark room...). The more concentrated the consciousness the more ‘real’ things are. Without consciousness reality fails to materialize. So before consciousness, we go back to the wave form of reality, and the materializing of particles brought about a material reality. Before that there were only plausibilities that reality in fact exists. Now that definitely feels counter intuitive, but this is the exact same feeling or feedback we get from quantum physics. Because when it comes down to the math, bizarreness is the name of the game we play in quantum physics. So these discussions are necessary for our maturing process. So being that I will have to explain how consciousness ties in, I will have to offer this footnote to start the thought process off by bringing us back to number one: "a thought" produces sound, frequency, energy, and vibration. Thoughts themselves produce the very fundamental pieces that configured the system to work in the first place. 3. The universe evolved itself to be "like" a living organism itself, which contains its own consciousness, and self awareness. And the universe has its own replication systems, and we call these replication systems parallel universes. You could think of it in the same way that you think of cell division. Almost like with membrane universe but quite different... All of the universe is a fractal of life, containing more life. The more you zoom out or zoom in you get a more complex picture of the same thing. 3.1 The "void" we call blackspace, is the ether or aether which is an aspect of the electromagnetic universe. Electromagnetism creates gravity, the perception of bodies moving through space creates the "psychological illusion" of time. Therefore, time is not real it is merely temporal in the "Mind Dimension". But it feels very real to us within our "Mind Dimension"... In the "Mind Dimension" feelings are an adjustment by the brain, we learned only through dealing with the nervous system since our infancy as a newborn. The comparison / contrast between pain and pleasure create a synesthesia that we envelop within our physiology, along with that physiology feelings create aspects of "Qualia", this "Qualia" can be translated into Consciousness. 3.2 In light of the before stated speculations, and the hypothesis that there are infinite parallel universes, you can "unknowingly" shift your experience from one universe to another. What that means is that you change your reality with your consciousness at any given instant, and there are infinite earths, and the people around you all change according to how you change your reality. This is not a complicated thing, it is just a natural thing we do with our thoughts (which control our actions) we can call this reality shifting "decisions". This reality applies to all other people and other conscious living beings. (This is a very important concept to understand so I’ll describe it another way so you’re sure to understand it...) People in your reality do not matter like you think they do, they change according to your consciousness you can shift them out of your reality and into your reality according to how they correlate with your consciousness. You shouldn’t get upset when someone dies because they are experiencing a different consciousness in another reality more adequate to their consciousness. Because we are all living in an infinite realm of possibility. One question I would like someone to ask is "What makes us experience this reality?" But i'll leave that up to you. Edit... Sorry have to pick up where I left off from last night so that I can bring Evolution in. 4. Evolution. Because the universe has a self awareness, and consciousness, there is a bit of "natural selection" taking place on the multi-verse level. For us to come from hydrogen, and helium gases, to a place like earth where life is so abundant, to the human brain, to skyscrapers and airplanes, it boils down to 1 thing for everything to make since. There have to be infinite possibilities, infinite parallel universes. And even with infinite earths there has to be a selection within that which narrows the scope of consciousness to a wave of various possibilities. I offered an idea based on the Copenhagen interpretation and drew some radical ideas that expand on this "natural selection" and I called it the Maybeverse Theory ( http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/34195-maybeverse-theory/ I learned that this forum would rather call peoples theories a speculation because a lot of individuals want to have a theory. Which is not too uncommon even in academia because of the fears associated with publish or perish; I maintain that I should not have to read anybody's rules, I just feel it is my duty to offer some value to a community so confused by the eastern school of thought.) .

I don't think you know what I mean 'exactly' and I would not expect you to. I guess what i'm trying to say is that there is not 'time' at all. That time is purely a psychological misinterpretation of objects moving through our electromagnetic universe. For some of you that might be considered speculation, and there I digress.

Just taking a look at the numbers you came up with anyway those are within the 10^23 to 10^26 range actually and look hypothetically accurate. I mean when we think about the observable universe in terms of common sense considering that light is one of the most elementary particles, that it must have been present within the first 5-600 million years after the big bang if not earlier during stellar synthesis. So even if you consider how far light would have traveled within 13 billion years it would have been substantially farther than how far the universe could have expanded in terms of how far vast hydrogen and helium could have spread during stellar synthesis. Considering that it couldn't get spread faster than the speed of light, light would have caught up with it very soon after light began to exist.

I did end up getting a letter back from the white house BTW.

"Many computer scientists take it on faith that one day machines will become conscious" You know they are exploring bacterias now as a means of storage for information and computer processing. Not that it would have a baring on anything but it is interesting that its a living computer. Living Computer But I think by premise we don't have to assume that consciousness can not be realized by a computer system, when we are able to understand the processes that lead to consciousness. It would be easier then to make a computer that does exhibit consciousness. There could be some incredibly simple and elegant explanation of what it is exactly that defines why we are even aware of ourselves. It is only when we assume what it is that we have a problem with it. Your world view is mediocre vs the school of thought that hameroff is from. It took a lifetime for hammeroff to be able to scratch the surface on these topics. There is a lot more to reality than just 1+1=2

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No i'm saying there is only present. Time is a psychological illusion. Nikola, "Tesla's Dynamic Theory Of Gravity" would have explained this but it was classified by DoD. ---> Dynamic Theory Of Gravity Components This theory is a logical extension of the rotating magnetic field model. According to the Swami Vivekananda, “the Vedantic Prana and Akasha and the Kalpas, which according to [Tesla was] the only theories modern science can entertain [... he] thinks he can demonstrate that mathematically that force and matter are reducible to potential energy” (Grotz, 1997) Tesla electromagnetics are composed of potentials and their corresponding motion. This potential’s motion causes in the surrounding medium an equivalent and opposite effect (determining the positive and negative character of the medium). Some elements of the theory may include: * All ponderable bodies are constantly in motion in through space. o Absence of a medium would result in no electromagnetic forces (the space-vacuum fabric is a medium, the aether (the ultimate medium)) o Ponderable bodies and other media filling space all possess a dielectric level. o Motion through space produces the “illusion of time”. o Mechanical effects are produced by electromagnetic forces acting through media (i.e., momentum and inertia is electromagnetic in nature; Energy is force over time) o A media exposed to resonant vibrations of electromagnetic force interact. * Electromagnetic energy fills all space (referred to as radiant energy). o Electromagnetic force is a phenomenon produced through the medium in space (eg., the result of the medium acting upon ponderable matter). o Modulating Wideband frequencies of electromagnetic phenomenon permeate through all media (akin to spread spectrums). o Self-regenerative hetrodyning electromagnetic fields condense through the medium in space. o Electromagnetic potentials arrange themselves in groups according to the medium’s polarization and the medium’s dielectric resistance. o Electromagnetic fields interact and produce rotating fields. o Electromagnetic entropy returns energy to potentials. o Electromagnetic potentials of high frequency produce: [a] lower environmental interaction, uniform movement without rotation through space-time, and [c] electromagnetic saturation [i.e., plasmas] o Stationary low frequency electromagnetics behave as waves. * Medium’s electromagnetic fields creates attractive forces from negative polarity [or what is commonly referred to as "gravity"]. Tesla never referred to “space-time” directly, referring instead to the concept of the “primary substance”. He also never used this relativistic “twin” term. He considered time as a mere man-made “measure” of the rate at which events occur such as a distance travelled (in miles or kms) in a certain period of time, for a frame of reference. He considered the “curving” of space to be absurd (putting it in gentle terms) saying that if a moving body curved space the “equal and opposite” reaction of space on the body would “straighten space back out“.

Here's the wayback archives http://web.archive.org/web/20020807212653/http://www.scienceforums.net/ check out from 2002

the majorty of B cell decreases the blood sugar and secretes insulin needed for your liver etc aka the glycogen etc.. when these cells depress the diabetic symptoms occur.its the glucose that makes the is what makes the secretion of insulin.. beta cells arrive in order to change/convert glucose so its mostly the glucose thats important for the stimulation of glucose. the injections you get are used to stimulate the b cell building a film around the other cells but these cells have whats called a golgi transport and with the right medical science you can stimulate B reproduction because the cells actually MORPH to become B cells. inside the nucleus of the cell within the cytoplasm material.med science often looks at the direct cause blaming a false suspect when often times they are like police near the scene of the accident monitoring a situation. so the treatment your getting is merely a back door approach rather than a direct hit to the sources.

they are gonna say it was terrorism

Copenhagen interpretation doesn't really seem to serve justice for a counterargument. In reference to your original post I think you have come around on a framework for identifying unchangeable individuals... LOL.

I have a solution to clean up the oil spill. Many news sources are claiming that we don’t know how to clean up the oil. But I know how. The method is very simple. However, will take a lot of cooperation from people in the current administration to help speed up the process… Here is the proposed method(s): You would fill up a pillow case full of hair. Animal Hair, and or Human hair, donated from haircuts from salons for example. The pillow cases would be dropped over the oil spill and immediately start absorbing the oil. However, it would take a lot of pillow’s full of hair for it to be effective considering the quantity of oil filling up the gulf. If everyone takes part in this we can solve the crisis. I believe we need to take this solution seriously as it is a viable solution.

considering that the human race is not really that smart, i would like to say, we dont know.

because things move though space, we have the illusion of time. there is only "present", past and or future are psychological illusions.

The man who never made a mistake never made anything.

so basically i gotta tangent, the ether is the source of all matter and force, "energy" does not exist in a physicl form, but its the "ability to do work" which is equal to the "force over time" the word "energy" is a convenient fiction, like "time" which is an arbitrary measurement of the rate of motion of matter though ether filled space. all events occur in the present and the past and future are meerely metaphors. the eether is a universla medium which fills all space and appears to be dynamic relative to the earths moving thousands of miles per hour though space the ether is normally electrically neutral and penetrates all solid matter. there is a ultra high frequency radiation normally in equilibrium called Zpr or zero point radiation which interpenetrates the ether and represents electromagnetic radation in its finest densest form in conjunction with the ethers universal perpetual motion. *electromagnetic disturbances in the ether extract energy from the zpr which is explainable only by a ether theory this free energy is virutally unlimited is and is universally at work created by the perpetual motion of matter through the exchange of the stronger and weaker force how the equlibrium of the universe is maintained as the sum of the total of all processes equals to 0.

Stuart Hammeroff covers a lot on the quantum computations of mind. I subscribe to it.

Where I am getting at is that the temperature inside the sunspots is less than that of the temperature of the plasma surface. Why wouldn't the sunspots temperature be much different than the atmosphere above the surface?

Ok, let's just focus on 1 thing at a time. Please provide an expiation that describes why the plasma surface of the sun is 6000 C, but the temperature outside of the sun is over 2 million C. second law of thermodynamics prevents heat from flowing directly from the solar photosphere, or surface, at about 5800 kelvins.

to better answer your question "whats wrong with existing theory on sunspots" i will outline existing problems with the sun as a whole. In the standard model there are really no explanations, yet are natural consequence of the electrical model. Those are heavy elements, solar spectrum, neutrino deficiency, neutrino variability, solar atmosphere, differential rotation by latitude, differential rotation by depth, equatorial plasma torus, the sunspots, sunspot migration, sunspot penumbra, sunspot cycle itself, magnetic field strength, the even magnetic field, helio seismology, solar density, and changing size.