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Phi for All I agree with you Maybe if both of us had been believers we could have explained it. And they still have the problem that usually that which they see as real is not real for an atheist so it is just a nuance less literal and fundamentalistic than what the True Believer say when they assert that God is real and alive and ... many many features they assure their god have. Maybe I should not have mentioned it at all. What I really ask is this. Have any of you read or heard of that one have tried to do reliable measurement on believers on what goes on when they think of this claim they make. "God is real" compared to those believers that say that "God is a metaphor for that which is real" The True Believers seen the God is myth believers as atheists while the God is Myth believers see the True Believers as Fundamentalists. So they see each other as different and my question is can one see that using the fMRI scans to see what makes the Fundy more fundy than the mytho-poetic believer? One way to refer to it is that the True Believers are what Dawkins refer to as "The God Delusion" the the True Believers are not aware of that they are in a delusion but the mytho-poetic believer knows that the the True Believers are in a delusion but trust themselves to be true to reality when they say that what the Myth point to is real. so it is tricky in that to an atheist both are in delusions while none of these two admit that apart from knowing the other are in it. To the the True Believers the myths is the delusion too. My God is real and not a myth they assert. Was that a bit less confusing? Can one measure this difference? Something related as an example of being aware of a delusion and not being aware of a delusion. Very naively one end up with this 1. the True Believers assert that their God is real 2. the Mytho-poetic Believers assert that the myth points to something that is real. 3. the atheist assert that they lack belief in such claims But the atheists seems to agree with both 1. and 2. that God has to be real or else God is a fake god or a pretend god or an imaginary god. None of these three seems to accept that a God can be designed to be seen as real. They would all three of them say that is a fake or false god and not a real god. but if one look way back in history to when we have written history on gods and all the way up to now then some 6000 or more named gods and almost all of the believers agree to that ever one of these gods where made up by humans. So the difference is that the God Delusion allow that one see that others where deluded but one fail to see that oneself is deluded and when one get aware of it then one lose God? This is what I want to understand from a science perspective but I am no scientist on a science lover. I am also interested in if one can construct a religion that knows that they delude themselves and accept that that is the truth about their faith and still keep their faith in the fake or false God.

Yes theorethically I know but fail to set it up but will try out until I get it. What I know from practice is that the thinner inner dimension the more diffult to get the lower register strong and stable and the opposite is that if one make the inner much thicker like 16mm then the upper register second overblowing most likely fail and one get an instrument with strong lower register and it has trouble with the highest notes getting unstable and hard to blow. One need to compromize.

Daedalus that was exactly what I needed the way to set it up. and the text thatexplain it you provided That will help me much becase the wood planks that I ahve at home don't allow the 28mm or higher so I will most likely start with 6mm and test what happens if I only use 25mm instead of 28mm. so the wood is 15mm and gluing two togther then makes 30mm thick and then if bore is 25mm then I will have at least 2.5 mm thick wall and that is a bit thin but hopefully works. Much appreciated you took time to explain it to me. So typical of me not being clever enough to know how to set up that one. Looks so easy now when one see it

Oh I am sorry. I trusted that I had proof read it. I mean 1/32 the European key board has 7 below the / while it is on another place on other key boards. Sorry for the confusion. Here is the important part suppose the music instrument is 600mm long and the inner tube start as small as 6mm diameter and in the end the inner tube it is about 30 mm diameter. then the tapering how fast it incline or rise to wider and wider has the relation 1/32 so how does one set that up as an equation with x?

krash661 yes sorry I do mean fMRI"functional magnetic resonance imaging: a technique that directly measures the blood flow in the brain," Thanks for the link.

Many many believers assert that God has to be real or else their faith is doomed? Or have no value or is false or fake? But some believers say that God is a myth that refers to something that is real or what they hope to really exist out there. I am not a believer so I can only listen to their retelling of their experiences but have there been science study on how this work out in practice? I mean can one look with fMRI scanner and see what lights up in the true believer when they think God is really real. And if other areas light up in the God as myth believer thinking that God is a word referring beyond the concept to something not expressable? Could these two kind of believer belong to different personality types?

I think there is something to it. The body can have such memories that are non-verbal a bodily feeling of being unconditionally cared about and loved and somebody always there. I am surprised that that so few agree with you. Have you explanded on your idea or giving up on it?

Thanks for that link. I have just joined the forum and find that theory rather likely to be a good explanation for religious faith?

To get the inner dimensions right one have to see to it that overblowing produces the overtones in tune and that require one get the tapering right. Could some Math person help me set up the 1732 tapering. suppose the music instrument is 600mm long and the inner tube start as small as 6mm diameter and in the end it is about 30 mm. How is the 1732 related to all the other numbers how does one set it up? I ask because I want to build such an instrument say a Horn in wood or a Sax without mechanics just fingerholes or a oboe without mechanics just fingerholes so would love to get how one set up the equation. I am an old retired person and I have never understood Math so this should be easy for those fluent in it?