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Okay I do what you ask because it off topic for that thread. Can you other here define what is science, bad science, junk science and pseudoscience. What makes good science and what makes bad science? To my understanding I always thought bad science or junk science did not have any science backing like saying you can walk on water, earth has no center mass or time travel.

Than explain to me what is junk science or what is bad science? What is difference of bad science vs junk science? Why do people say bad science or junk science? Eugenics say persons behavior, attitudes, personality, persons characteristics and traits are because of genes? Do you agree or disagree?

May be the confusing is your view what eugenics is different than mind. Or what you think eugenics is? Or why you think eugenics is bad science. Or why you think eugenics bad science. Or what some other members here think what is eugenics. I'm guessing you think there is no genes that drive a persons behavior, attitudes, personality, persons characteristics and traits that why it bad science .

Okay forget about ethics and morality should there be allowed to have kids or not. Trying to understand you say science say mental illness, birth defects, mentally handicapped people, mentally challenged people and IQ have noting to do with genetics? So mom or dad or both having that problem can have many kids as they want they will not get problem.

Here is question do you believe mental illness, birth defects, mentally handicapped people, mentally challenged people and IQ have nothing to do with genetics and there should be no law in place to stop them having kids? The mom or dad or both that have mental illness, birth defects, mentally handicapped, mentally challenged and IQ have nothing do with kids having mental illness, birth defects, mentally handicapped, mentally challenged or the kids IQ. Where do you draw the line on genetics?

Why are you copying and pasting the same old thing. You are repeating your self, please stop repeating your self, and say some thing . Do you have degree in historian? Or genetics and evolution? If not may be best you do not reply to this thread again you are not contributing any thing . And base on your post history you like arguing and contribute nothing base on other threads. Or It does not matter if 3% scientist or 90% scientist at that time thought eugenics was real or not. And you did not even give any citation or source saying otherwise. Just spoon out same thing you reaped over and over. That some how eugenics is not science and scientist never believed in it. No citation or source. How many scientist have to believed in it to be science? How do you define science or what is science? I more likely to believe Francis Galton sociologist, psychologist, anthropologist, eugenicist, tropical explorer, geographer, inventor, meteorologist, proto-geneticist, and psychometrician.......... Knows more about eugenics than some anonymous poster like your self not even read one chapter out of book on it. Be the science of eugenics be futility or real or not or mixed. You have not shown any citation or source showing be it 3% scientist or 90% scientist at that time thought eugenics was science or not. And not discussing the paper the start of OP thread or eugenics you seem to be addicted to history on origins on eugenics if 1%, 3% scientist or 90% scientists believed in eugenics or some way shaping government policies. And still not ask what is science or how you define science? How do you define science? Is there some test proving evolution like Darwinism or eugenics? Or does eugenics like evolution like Darwinism suffer from same thing? no test and no proof? Where are the tests, studies and proof? Or is it theory? Is science not math base and running test to proof some thing?

You are aware there was scientist and philosopher had strong beliefs in eugenics. I guess scientist and philosopher where much crackpot people too in that time line. But I get this paper must be also crackpot science because it stinks with eugenics so is evolution like Darwinism going by your thinking . You not even debating if eugenics is good science or not. You seem be debating the past that eugenics is not science. Than why where scientist and philosopher not anti- eugenics? Why did science not scream to the politicians that is is wrong and junk science? Here is question do you support people that have mental illness or mentally handicapped should be allowed to have kids? What is point of crispr or genetic engineering? if offspring has nothing to do with mom or dad.Where do you draw line on genetics? Why did Sir Francis Galton coin eugenics in 188 why not some school janitor? And how would you prove or disprove eugenics when you cannot even run DNA sequence in that time line of before and after group. Every thing was base on breading with out even looking at genetics.

When many countries done sterilization it tells me it was not just bunch of crackpot idea guys running around say that do sterilization on poor people, criminals, drug addicts, alcoholics and people who have mental illness. It does not matter if it is good science or not at all at that time. You apply never been junk science? Junk science is worse than not good science. There many junk science out there today like earth has no center mass or time travel so on. None of that is back by mainstream science If you apply not good science it one thing or lack of science proof but there was many scientist at that time supporting eugenics. Many countries have done sterilization in name of eugenics. After ww2 eugenics make taboo being really bad. Well I understand that eugenics can be abused.

what do you and other members here been by biodiversity?

Has there been link that person IQ, academic achievement or intelligence is because of genetics? May be some eugenics supporters may say person IQ, academic achievement or intelligence is because of genetics. I said at the start of the thread. But the paper does not seem to talk about that, only individual differences in attitudes, personality traits, characteristics and behaviors. So this study and claim are saying the person IQ , education achievement and academic achievement is base on genetics? If person dos really bad in school vs some one has PHD or tow PHD's is base on genetics? And the response I got. Saying.............. No, where do you get that from the paper?

What? honestly what? The paper is saying genetic factor found in supporting of individual differences in attitudes, personality traits, physical characteristics and behaviors so on.If other papers support this paper with more studies supporting this claim This where I said supporters of eugenics will run with this paper or any peepers similar to this. It is the members here acting like they never heard of eugenics and major profound confused of what eugenics has to do with paper. I would think people would of read up bit about history and read up bit about eugenics.

No I'm saying countries back in that time that use to do sterilization when eugenics was being advocated. Than later on eugenics was proven junk science. Like sterilization of poor people, criminals, drug addicts, alcoholics and people who have mental illness.

I think both of you misunderstood me. Eugenics is belief improving human population by controlled breeding for desirable heritable characteristics, attitudes, personality traits and behavior. The science was you could breed only the desirable traits. This was way back in time when many countries did forced sterilization for breeding for desirable traits. Than later on science said eugenics was junk science. You cannot bread for desirable traits be it forced sterilization or genetic engineering. Saying genes don't make person character, characteristics , attitudes, personality traits and behaviors and moral values . So when I seen that paper that say person character, characteristics , attitudes, personality traits and behaviors and values are because of genetics it seems to support eugenics. Not saying the researchers moral value will support sterilization or genetic engineering for breading. But many eugenics advocates may run with paper say yap that start doing sterilization or genetic engineering it now science now and now junk science any more.

Sounds like the paper is supporting eugenics by the sounds of it. That thing at one time science was supporting it!! Than science said eugenics was junk science and now they have mixed views. May be it not genetics alone or environment alone !! But genetics and environment.

The genetic basis of individual differences in attitudes, including personality traits, physical characteristics, and academic achievement. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11414369 Wow....... So this study and claim are saying the person IQ , education achievement and academic achievement is base on genetics? If person dos really bad in school vs some one has PHD or tow PHD's is base on genetics? In others words if you smart or dumb is base on genetics? Or how well you do at school or your job?

I'm sorry what are you saying there is movement to white supremacy in the US? That white supremacy and Nazi is on the upswing in the US?

OP what are you claiming that this electromagnetic fields controls people emotions for some kind mind control device? For what goal are they using this new device for? This new electromagnetic field device to control people their emotions? A mind control device? What studies? Where? What do they claim the device do? Mind control?

Emotional person or emotions are part of psychology. Manipulate the nervous system and do what? Make people happy, sad or mad?

Cause of many mental illnesses out there is not clear. The theories are it is nature, nurture, chemical imbalance or childhood experiences. But root cause is not pinpoint. It could be any of it, be it nature, nurture, chemical imbalance or childhood experiences. Many of the mental illnesses can be managed with medicine but it will not cure you. Like I say the cause of the mental illnesses is a not known what causes it. Some of the theories are it is nature, nurture, chemical imbalance or childhood experiences. I'm not aware of electromagnetic fields causing mental illnesses.

Your post is hard to understand. Are you asking if the universe is nothing? What happen before the big bang when there was nothing? What will happen in the future when the universe cools down and expands and there is nothing? The end of times? What happen before you born aka nothing or when you die and there is nothing? Or trying to understand if there no matter what nothing? All black and darkness nothing.

I'm not sure I know where you are going with this thread. That electromagnetic fields from some computer monitors and TV's from 90's and before cause harm to the person? Or all TV's from 90's and before cause harm to the person? The electromagnetic fields can do what to the nervous system? It effect the nervous system and do what to the nervous system?

Is there a connection with brain power and eye sights? Take insects they have tiny brain and horrible eye sights!! Two balls would not work, they need many eyes!!! Dogs and animals eye sight are not as good as people but way better than insects!! As they got a bigger brain!! People got bigger brain than dogs and animals and better eye sight. But does size of the brain also determine the eye? If people got bigger brain they would need only one eye ball? But if people got really dumb they would need 3 or 4 eye balls or more to compensate for the bad eye sight? As in the future people could get bigger brain and bigger head and only one eye ball.

You assuming antifreeze will work and not cause ice crystals?

It may have been focused ultrasound! Is an early stage medical technology that is in various stages of development worldwide to treat a range of disorders. The mechanism is similar to using a magnifying glass to focus sunlight. Focused ultrasound uses an acoustic lens to concentrate multiple intersecting beams of ultrasound on a target. Each individual beam passes through tissue with little effect but at the focal point where the beams converge, the energy can have useful thermal or mechanical effects.................. beams are precisely focused on a small region of diseased tissue to locally deposit high levels of energy. The temperature of tissue at the focus will rise to between 65° and 85 °C, destroying the diseased tissue by coagulative necrosis. As an acoustic wave propagates through the tissue, part of it is absorbed and converted to heat. With focused beams, a very small region of heating can be achieved deep in tissues. Tissue damage occurs as a function of both the temperature to which the tissue is heated and how long the tissue is exposed to this heat level in a metric referred to as "thermal dose". Wide range of possible uses from cardiovascular disease to various types of cancer. Can be applied to cancers to disrupt the tumor and trigger an immune response. it is similar in concept to focusing light through a magnifying glass. There is regulatory approval to treat a range of cancers, including breast, kidney, liver, the pancreas and soft tissue sarcoma in Europe and Asia. There is a brain system approved in Europe, Korea and Russia to treat essential tremor, Parkinsonian tremor and neuropathic pain.

It could also be abnormal brain or brain damage why some people claim they see ghosts or entity beings or near death experience where body floating up in sky and see the paramedics or doctors work on them!! Or people had a near death experience saying they where in heaven...... Or the brain not fully developed at birth. May be a CT scan or MRI scan to compare two brains of different people to see if any thing looks strange or different?