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For the past some months there been alot of shows on Nostradamus on History Channel and even Newton on Nostradamus .

Well in much Obama is moving away from what he was talking about doing eletions and now just making stuff up has he goes .His talk on bringing the debt down is a joke and trying to find ways to do cut backs that really do not work. NASA gets very little money than education ,army ,defence ,law enforcement not to say the stimulus package with some crazy projects in the stimulus package .Or the money giving to do office repairs or school repairs not saying fixing pot holes and park areas. If Obama promoted NASA and science better to get kids intrested in science than kids that see no future in line work but to join gangs or be drug dealer to support one self .Than giving money to repair schools or teachers giving them self pay increase. There is good stuff in the stimulus package and bad stuff in the stimulus package .With alot of the stimulus package making the US a better country than really making jobs.With construction workers building and doing repairs on roads ,highways ,dams and bridges. Well part of Obama on the stimulus package wanted to inprove broadband access and help ISP's dig up old cable and put new cable in. He wanted to do away with paper base in hospitals and go on computers . Again some of this stuff in the stimulus package is making the US a better country than jobs that are for a long time. I fear the US is too much of a service sector based economy has is now and too much government line of work just to give work too people who have no jobs.Where the real wealth and long term jobs is manufacturing and trade.

I mean Obama is all over the political spectrum. Than saying this is what I believe in than just sounding good on state of the union. It like Obama wants to spend lots of money every year but trying to sound good like they are doing cut backs not sticking to a political ideology like the the Democratic Party and republican party . Like cutting the money to go to the moon that is not going to ever happen with China space program and now the middle eat now getting into the space program.Not to say they spend money on it and the rocket is almost done. Well Obama not having a political ideology just trying look good:eek: people are not going vote him in again. I never know liberal who likes to spend money on army ,defence ,space program ,prisons ,cops .But never know a conservative who likes spend money on healthcare ,poor ,housing projects ,welfare money and poor. In much they both spend money but on different things . Well Obama has no political ideology now and trying to just sound good on paper .It is the Democratic Party that is trying make Obama left wing and the republican party trying to make him right wing but he is not left or right wing. He is still going make big debt and run things bad .Well Obama is not like how he was before. With China space program now the liberal cannot cut money to army ,defence ,space program now.There no way the US is going allow China to get to the moon before the US.

This is the part I do not understand.

So a liitle bit is okay but too much is bad?What part of the brain controls the carbon dioxide and oxygen level? You say if there was no carbon dioxide it can be fatal ,stop breathing ,brain that controls breathing controls the rate by monitoring the CO2 . Why does the brain not control the oxygen level? Why does lack of carbon dioxide do that? Why too low or too high carbon dioxide is bad? Too high oxygen can this be bad too?

That happence to me but only if you slow at reading and typing the message board things you are not coming back so loggs you out. Most vBulletin have this I'm on.

I made to threads on artificial liver or kidney and looking at it well it should be only one thread but I cannot go back and fix that? What I'm I doing wrong.

Plants need carbon dioxide to live and give out oxygen . And well people need oxygen to live and give out carbon dioxide. Not sure where the carbon dioxide comes from I would say the food.It is your job of blood to pick up carbon dioxide in your body and take it to lungs to braath out.Some say carbon dioxide like free redicals over time does damage to the body. In a perfect world there should be no carbon dioxide .Anyways there is way more people here that know lots about this subject.

This is may be what I was reading about?? A fashion statement it may not be, but the Wearable Artificial Kidney (WAK) could prove a very smart accessory for those with serious kidney disease. A miniaturized dialysis machine that can be worn as a belt, the WAK concept allows patients with end stage renal failure the freedom to engage in daily activity while undergoing uninterrupted dialysis treatment. Worn as a belt, the device weighs just ten pounds (4.5kg), including the two nine-volt batteries that power it. The compact design, unlike conventional dialysis machines, will leave patients free to engage in the activities that normal kidney function would ordinarily allow them to enjoy. Walking, working and riding a bike can all be actively pursued without restriction while undergoing gentle, uninterrupted treatment 24 hours a day, seven days a week. http://www.gizmag.com/the-wearable-kidney/12580/ Note just looking this thread should be with other thread on it.

Brain cells and nerve cells are the only cells that do not reproduce or divide That is why damage to spine or nerve cells does not reproduce or divide Other cells like skin cells ,bone cells ,liver cells ,kidney cells and other cells always reproduce with new cells .So damage to skin cells ,bone cells ,liver cells ,kidney cells will reproduce with new cells not like brain cells ,nerve cells or spine. When people get older cells slow down when it comes to cells to reproduce or divide . That is why people organs start to go and people age.Some doctors think when your young they can take your bone cells ,liver cells ,kidney cells so on and grow it in lab and when you get older inject your young cells.Doctors do not know why cells slow down when one get older or how to speed up the reproduction of cells.Or if injecting your young cells will work or your DNA at age 45 and 60 start to change in big way and so your cells slow down when it comes to reproduce or divide . Why cells slow down when it comes to reproduce or divide when people get older is not clear. Also some people talk abut inflammation causing aging ,diseases , illnesses ,organs going bad so on . The immune system works hard to keep out pathogen but it is not perfect and can do damage. It is like having a house fire and you call the fire department and the water they use to spray on fire can miss here and there cause water damage.Some say carbon dioxide or free radicals may cause aging ,diseases , illnesses ,organs going bad so on :eek: Sorry I'm new to this stuff so really do not understand all of this or what are the views out there and what they are doing about it. ================================================ Merged post follows: posts After talking to people on myspace ,yahoo groups and yahoo answers on this topic the best I can dig up is. You're wrong in saying that brain/nerve cells do not divide. They do so but very slowly, one cell cycle takes about 90 years to produce two cells from one. Peripheral nerve cells will divide relatively quicker since nerve damage outside of the CNS will get better over time because nerves will regenerate through their predetermined routes. Spinal cord injuries are usually devastating and irreversible since even a long life span now days is about 90 years. Cells do not even divide more than once in that time. With aging, all cells and especially the DNA has been exposed to a lifetime of exposure (radiation etc). That's why woman who are older have a higher rate of birth defects because each and every one of their ovums were created in a batch (though ovums are immature at that point, and mature during ovulation) before they were born. Over a lifetime of these going through the aging process of the body, they sustain damage.. especially to the genetic material in the cell. Why do we get skin cancer? Because external influences (UV light) over a period of time has damaged the DNA and caused the skin cells to not function properly and go haywire.. resulting in cancer. Cancer cells do occur naturally in a small amounts, but the majority of cancer is triggered by an environmental stimulus.. degrading of the genetic material. It is found that with age, the mitochondria of the cells tend to slow down with age. They produce the ATP needed for the cell to function and divide and in turn the cell will divide and function slower. Mitochondria in each cell are directly related to a person's metabolism: The rate at which energy is used to convert input to output in a person or cell. The National Geographic had 2 shows on this topic .I will see what I can find. People may what to look at this Mystery of Aging http://txtwriter.com/onscience/Articles/aging.html I'm new to understanding this stuff.

That is the problem in the US ,Canada and UK.The problem is CEO's and management making over $1,000,000 a year running the hospital and most doctors $150,000 to $300,000 depends on type of doctor. And people working in factories making stuff like MRI or X-ray or drug companies making billions not to say insurance companies that are more rich than all the people in goverment .Or chemist and surgeons that live in a $1,000,000 home and $1,000,000 or more saved in the bank . Not say NASA and engineers how much money they make or a judge.In America everyone wants a house ,car and go on vacation 1 or 2 times a a year and everyone wants to be rich.Do to shortage of food ,water ,fossil fuel around the world and lack of jobs in the US ,inflation and healthcare cost so on.People are going to have to downsize in America get less money ,take train or carpool like in Europe. Live in small house or above store ,condo and apartments. And box stores and power centers will be gone and go back to store-fronts where people live above a store .More foot traffic than car centric city. And that is the way it is going to have to be for now.In the future when we have robot slaves to take over the labor work ,nanotechnology ,replicators and mass 3D printing than things may change but even than earth is way over populated for it size that the ecosystem and planet is being destroyed do to way over populated .Have go to other planet in space or have policy of only 1 kid around the world than moms having 4 or 5 kids like now. Anyways the moderator should move part of this thread to the political section has we are getting off topic here.

I'm still working on the dates of some of those things above and Wikipedia should have alot of info on this. I don't read medical journals ,scientific American ,popular science so on do to a lack of putting it together.When I understand anatomy , Physiology , biochemistry better I will read it. I have seen programs on TV on what they are working on in the future but I have not and I say again have not read or seen anything on what they are working on in the next 5 or 10 years. Well cyborgs ,nano bots and 3D printing they are talking about are stil 50 to 100 years out if they do not run into problems. But I'm talking about the next 5 to 10 years from now what is coming out or 15 years !! Well the media doing what it is doing does not what to talk about what they are working on and what cutting age technology is coming out. Way to much media censorship on heathcare.And they using people to disform people about heathcare. Look at hati what they are doing or cancer.

I know but I wanted some one to elaborate on that.

What do you mean by every living thing emits electromagnetic waves of all wavelengths. I thought it was some different type of electricity .

With out nerve cells the body is like a rock and does not work.You need the nerve cells to control the muscle . Your brain sends electric signals down the nerve to tell your muscle to walk or move your hand . To go to the bathroom your brain sends electric signals down the nerve too to open the bladder. There was program on TLC of man got is had cut off the doctors had to hook up his nerves and every thing else but even than it was NOT 100% good. The truble is nerve cells and electric signals in the spin is so different they do not know how to fix this or re-hook it up like a cut off had or foot.

I don't think any living matter on earh emits a electromagnetic wave.I know the human body runs on electricity but I think it is other type of electricity than DC or AC a more electric pulse. Sorry people who believe in Atlantis there is no frame work for crystals and electromagnetic waves to fight diseases and illness but there is a frame work for stem cell, cloning ,genetic engineering ,nanotechnology ,cyborg and 3D printing .Most of this stuff 50 or 100 years out but at these there is a frame work . The myth of lost city Atlantis using crystals ,electromagnetic waves , types of water and power crystals no frame work.:eek:I do not think zapping the body with electric current or electromagnetic wave is going to do much.

Yes but most people not scientist think that 2012 is it .Most 95 % of people on earth ( exceptions of higher number of agnostics and atheist in Europe and communist countries ) thing there is god and devil, good and evile .

A forumla means nothing. One can make a forumla for anti-gravity space ship or plasma gun but if you cannot test it and built it for the mass and have a working prototype that means nothing. There is enough goof balls on the national graphics channel and discovery who claim they can make anti-gravity and when science team comes it does not work. Now what to I make of the UFO's and ghost on national graphics channel and discovery that claim it is true or the mass of people that are not scientist that believe it, I watched a program on the national graphics channel of a bridge being built and had some problems and the construction workers would not work has they thought there was some evile do to the bad luck .Or the life in the ER on TLC and person came in with a medical problem do to voodo and going crazy in the ER. What about Ripleys believe it or not !!! Or Guinness world records :eek: Ya claims of one being under-water for a long time or days and days with out food or water Or walking on stones or hot fire or pushing a big tuck so on. There is 2 things one is called science and the other called unexplained mysteries . boy Meditating without drinking and eating for morethan 10 month (4/5) Part 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X0gums7Vz4 Note there is different parts to the video ( so I'm not going to post the URL for every part.

I was reading some where about a artificial liver or artificial kidney . About test subjects given artificial liver or artificial kidney and saying in 5 or 10 years it may make it way to hospitals for people who have problems with the liver or kidney . I do not know where I found this article and so I'm trying to find it I do not know if this true or not or they are doing research into it how to make a artificial liver or artificial kidney . I do not read the scientific journals or popular science has I do not know enough about biology to know where to start.

And do you think there where be drug to reverse aging or dead or dmage tissure? I mean may be there may be a drug for tissure that is not so healthy but dead or dmage tissure is big leep.

And I'm sure this is happing with controversial study of EMF and electricity like high power line. But the WHO and media are not saying this and that is what is making me bad. What do you mean? I just take all new studies with grain of salt to there is repeatable studies and no debates in the science world.If in next 3 days a group of studies say eating bread cause cancer I'm going be skeptical.If you want to believe new studies or 3 or 4 studies go and believe it. And any thing that is controversial or deabtes in the science world I just turn that out and say they don't have a clue to there is no controversial or deabtes going on . Where did I say they where in middle ? People have only really been using cell phones big for past 15 years tops . May be it is the chemicals the plastic , the bad food , being really fat , the environment or bad genes and all this can cause flaws in the studies . Here is thing cancer is really hard to find out has it takes long long long time . You have to take people and tell them to live in controlled environment. It like smoking:eek: well smoking does not = cancer it just over time you could get cancer or not . Some people smoke to 90 and not get cancer. People eat all types of food how are you going say group A all you going to do is eat this and group C all you going to do is eat this and so on? It may take 40 or 50 years or more to the person gets cancer. There so many factors does person using cell phone lay around watch TV all day and play computer games , does person walk and work out , does the person live in city or country , does person smoke or drink ,does person eat bad foods is there genetic flaws , does person do drugs , is the person fat or slim and any other elements that may = flaws . Other thing is one thing may not = cancer but you need 2 or 3 things like smoking ,drinking and bad foods or cell phone , bad food and lazy person that does not walk or work out.This going make the study that much harder to do. Other thing is stress and how well the immune system works. Does the person that use cell phone get stress out and is mad alot. May be people that are not stress out and mad alot and get proper sleep have better immune system and do not get cancer when smoking or using a cell phone. Some people cancer runs alot in the family and people that live by high-way and inner city may be very bad for you.There are so many elements that may = a bad study. And the last time I check there is always shortage of money for research. That me tell you one thing in past 100 years we change evolution from type food we eat , in bubble of electronics and lack of walking and working out , material and products that was not around 100 years ago and now obesity ,diabetes ,cancer and heart disease exploded. And scientist are trying find cure and find out want is causing all of this.

No science is about studies and the more studies and longer studies it is proven fact . We had over 100 years to prove too much x-rays and gama rays are bad .Go back in time to 1920 and scientist will be scraching their head. When smoking was link to cancer the scientist where scraching their head. Now many scientist have done studies and is on every page cover every where.When nuclear power came around scientist at that time did not undestand the health risk.Over time they had much better understanding of the health risk. If there was no studies or experiments than science would be speculation. Most science may start out has theory and prove the theory by doing studies or experiments to prove theory true or not. I don't think we need to talk about flaws in studies has everyone knows it here and most GOOD and I say again most GOOD scientist will factor in other elements of the study like food ,environment ,genetic flaws , age and so on. That me tell you some think I wiil gamble by life in 50 or 100 years tops the debade over EMF and electricity will be over. Just like we understand AC ,DC , induction ,flying faster than the speed sound ,x-rays and gama rays ,rockets ,flying ,smoking ,bad food ,nuclear power . We understand this so well it is on every page cover and every scientist had chance to do studies and experiments to prove it wrong.And in the future we may ever do more studies and experiments to make these things work better and understand it more. I don't know if you are kid or not and I don't want sound rude here but scientist most always do studies and experiments to prove or disprove other scientist and I hear it all the time .If there was study in next 4 days that eating bread may cause cancer than other scientist will say wow and do studies and experiments to prove true or not . Alot of times the problem is lack of money when doing studies and experiments and only have the money to do the studies and experiments for 2 or 3 years or do not have enough money to have more test subjects or lack of money for computers and such. Other times some scientist are faster at doing studies and experiments and other times other scientist spend more time doing studies and experiments .Some times there is flaws in studies like leaving out other elements of the study like food ,environment ,genetic flaws so on. I'm not going to debate on the interpretation of thread has you or anyone can believe has you want. I explain to the poster above want alot times the problem is. Alot of times the problem is lack of money when doing studies and experiments and only have the money to do the studies and experiments for 2 or 3 years or do not have enough money to have more test subjects or lack of money for computers and such. Other times some scientist are faster at doing studies and experiments and other times other scientist spend more time doing studies and experiments .Some times there is flaws in studies like leaving out other elements of the study like food ,environment ,genetic flaws so on. Over time alot those these above are worked out over time. It has nothing to do with opinions.In my experence I have never really seen people talk or type like that on less they are detoxing or in flame war. It was not flame war that was going on with both us but a out lash of his inappropriate reply to first post is much to be frown on his character.And this is some thing I will not take regardless of forum rules and getting me ban.I would have not have been so rude if in thread we where in flame war or debating hard but this was NOT the case and response to first post that is very much inappropriate . I would have not got all worked up here if all the news outlets the media and WHO said in way that scientist are working on this and doing studies and experiments ( and there debate amog scientist ) but it is not proven yet . But when news outlets the media and WHO say talking on cell phone = cancer ,eating bread = cancer , living by power lines = caner than 20 years later it proven wrong that is want makes me sick. I'm not sure what you mean here.

No becuse cell phone fad has only been past 15 years tops and if there was more studies and repeated and longer studies it would be fact and no debate in the medical community on if EMF or electricity is bad or not. Merged post follows: Consecutive posts merged That is what I do not understand if radio waves and microwaves are not ionizing radiation than how is it bad ? On less they are using high power . And if I understand cell phones use low power much less than CB radio.If living by high voltage power line how can it brake down cells or DNA if it is not ionizing .The human body runs on small electricity and the cells turn the food and water into energy. At most it may disrupt the signaling process in the body. But I don't understand if it is not ionizing how can electricity or EMF brake down cells or DNA ?When people have a heart attack they give people shock

First finish detoxing from meth before you type and second read my post again and tell me where I'm bashing science or scientist That me type it again for the illiterate. I'm not bashing science or scientist and I say again I'm not bashing science or scientist . I'm bashing the short studies that lead to false reporting or deabtes among scientist do to short studies where is the long and repeated studies that will clear up the false reporting or deabtes . The subject on the other had here on the EMF and electricity like on power lines or in the wall do harm to the body is debate among scientist do to we need more studies and repeated and longer studies.The WHO seems to jump on these topics on EMF and electricity making it sound like proven fact not saying this is a controversial topic.And non scientist do not know about this at all. The media and WHO likes to jump on these short studies that scientist are working on and say it is fact and than years later scientist prove if it is true or not and this makes me sick.Some times scientist should not say any thing to they do more studies and repeated and longer studies to get hard facts on the topic. Merged post follows: Consecutive posts merged What do you mean by not controlled experiments but data-mining I thought gamma rays and x-rays are the only thing in EM spectrum than cam brake down cells or DNA. Most talk about the type of radiation like is it radio wave or x-ray and the strength and how much radiation. In school we learn that gamma rays and x-rays are a bad type of radiation and going to doctor getting too many x-rays is bad. Keep in mind smoking does not = cancer, too many x-rays does not = cancer, eating bad food does not = cancer. It just increasess your risk over time. There are some people that can smoke all their life and not get cancer and other people smoke and in their 30's or 40's get cancer. We learn in school that gamma rays and effects of nuclear explosions and too many x-rays is really bad . But there is little talk on the other parts of the EM spectrum or electricity if it is bad. The thing is the type of radiation, strength and how much radiation. I think the problem is some think that too much microwaves or spending 3 years non stop in front it = cancer. Getting hit by microwave weapons for 10 minutes will not cause cancer but getting hit by a microwave weapon for 2 years non stop = cancer!!! A microwave weapon stronger than other microwave weapon = cancer. The understanding of the type of radiation, strength and how much radiation over time may be key to understanding this better.

6 cell phone safety wake-up calls http://health.lifestyle.yahoo.ca/channel_section_details.asp?text_id=4711&channel_id=1030&relation_id=34757 I mean really science today is not about facts but short studies and want they think is bad or not . There are scientist that say EMF is bad and others saying EMF is only bad if it is ultraviolet ,x-rays ,gamas rays are bad and radio waves long wave and radio wave short waves , microwaves ,visible and infrared cannot go through the skin or brake down cells. Well the army have been doing re-search into using high power microwaves to do harm to the other army to burn their skin and pain has a way not to kill them. But really some scientist say EMF is bad and others say not .Some say he made stuff up. I'm sick of short studies and claims .Spend the $1,000,000,000,000 have 3,0000 scientist spend 30 to 50 years do your studies than publish it.Nothing makes me more sick than fast studies and scientist debating that makes news for the non scientist . There was time that science was fact and needed hard science to make the news . Now you have scientist toady on talk radio talking about UFO's ,ghosts ,shadow people and stuff that artbell or coast coast AM talks about . Really we going down the drain fast. It looks like we really will not know about EMF and electricity if it is good or bad for other 50 or 100 years.