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sorry no conspiracy here . better luck next time.

Hi. Please don't tempt me with definitions or language games, you know I love those. but ok. that depends on what your definition of "is" is. suppose you will get miffed with that answer. ok then I mean everyone who is a parent or grandparent or caregiver. nothing clever, more of a basic math "set" "subset" type definition.

Interesting. Got any experiments in mind, to check out your theories?

I reckon that if a person was of one personality type, then a trauma could change that type or at least bury it. Or if a kid was a great happy soul but was a bit funny looking (and got teased) then that could also change the potential genetic type. Or if a bully was in a place with a bigger bully, then the natural tendencies would be buried . So it's the old Nature vs Nurture concept again. I have heard that you can replace an economist with a parrot that says Supply and demand. Now I think you can replace a Behaviourist with a parrot that says Nature and nurture,, arrgh!

Isn’t the basic unit of humour ...dislocation? thinking one thing then realising you should have been on another mental track totally. even when we laugh at a man slipping on a banana skin, it's funny because we can see that his mental position is not where it should be for the situation. so its that transportation between tracks of thought that make us laugh. hamburger goes into a bar. barman says "sorry we don’t serve food here".

get over it. go have a swim or hang out with some friends or something. Things are what they are.

Is this still going. Too much to read. Mr Noir, you have obviously had lots of time to examine this subject inside out. I suppose if it was my interest, I could develop a counter- argument to every position you held, and it would be like a game of chess. Who knows how well you have justified your disposition to yourself. I don’t want to treat you like a guineapig in a social experiment by asking you a bunch of invasive questions. The thing is, we are not just reason. Like yourself, we too are instinctive creatures. We have a strong instinct to protect our young. We will face the most severe dangers quickly and bravely to do so. We will act without mercy. Because we are the mob, we sit just below the surface of any civilised society. Don’t fill your brain with this junk, get another pastime. Good luck.

what this gets down to is, why a person with a know weakness in that direction , would want to put themself in a position of viewing images, when it would be akin to an Alcoholic sitting around in a Bar all day? why tempt yourself? It's turned out that this behaviour has been deemed injurious to the public good. And sorry if that has restricted your freedom, but you know as well as I do that you are only permitted a freedom as long as it doesn’t take away too much of anyone else’s freedom.

I guess Beauty and Lust are in the eye of the beholder. I’m not letting any deviant tell me they are the same thing. The thing about lust that separates it from beauty, is that lust ( for anything ) is possessive.

Look guys, can I draw a parallel here. I'm not an alcoholic right. so I look at a bottle of whiskey and just see an interesting bottle. but I don’t think an alcoholic would have that same reaction to the exact same stimuli ( bottle ) Same with Ladies shoes, they look damn uncomfortable to me, but I don’t think a fashion conscious women would see what I see, or experience the same lack of interest. So your argument is not so good.

Ps Ramin. I really dont think the world is what you make it. the world is the world, you live in it, get used to it. First you eat, then you think. you can eat without thinking, the reverse will not happen. I like the old stapler test, to figure out what has priority. (reality or your impression of it).

I get what you mean. that an overt form of any natural mental process looks like a mental illness. well that makes sense. it's more about balance than if a process exists or not. people aren’t suffering form an illness, their normal processes are out of balance, producing an illness. ps a friend of mine has the door checking problem. I really start to get p o'ed when he takes ages to get out of the house.

klangar, He's saying that even the most mild natured person can be driven to want to choke the living daylights out of the smug cold face person calmly stonewalling you over technical issues when real life crises are close on your tail.

Strange topic. What annoys me is the way everyone else has to be extra careful because of a few deviants. And on a side note, it’s not fair that kids can streak all around the beach and adults have to wear clothes. I suppose you have to keep your car keys somewhere.

Ahh the good old “nature versus nurture” debate again. I never get tired of it, no matter how many disguises it presents itself in. How about this: latent physical dispositions may express themselves given the right environmental triggers, and overt physical dispositions will exert themselves no matter what. Huh?

Well I got the name a bit wrong. But here is the text, it looses something without the illustrations,*1 but you get the idea. this is the edge of the English universe as we know it. In 1955 someone looked past the edge of the world, if only in jest.*2 http://www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~poetsma/zebra.html why do you think he did that, I mean what was his point in writing that book. Would it have been confusing to children? *1 [Latin, lustro, Light up] *2[Latin, gesta, Exploits]

( yer point about good and bad being encoded in a particular word , that be an island I'm not farmiliar with yet, I hopes we stumble across it soon) Me point was more one of "sound" the snake makes a Ssssssssss, as in Slitherin. ( house symbol is a snake. ) the Loin makes a GRRRRRRRR as in Griffindor. ( house symbol is a lion. ) The pip-sqeeks delight in these sounds. The author is very talented to pick up on this. while we is a resting on this magnificent Island of sound and fun, I thought we should take a look around. Have you ever seen a Dr Suess book called "letters beyond Z"?

It’s no wonder Harry Potter is such a hit with children. SSSSSlitherin. GRRRRiffindoor WHUmp ing Willow HUFFullPUFF. Weezely HagRRRith.

Noo Noo, ye are most welcome, in fact,yee have discovered our first tropical island Onomatopoeia Island. all ashore for a little R and R. http://www.comparisonics.com/app_mam.html

Shipmates, I has sneaked into thee Captins cabin, and I gots me a peek at his Map. I fear there be monsters on this here voyage. “The grammar of English is in some ways relatively simple, and in others quite complex. For example, word order is relatively fixed because English is an analytic language" Quote from here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_grammar

OHH, ARGRRH, we is funning with yee. Lol. There is no definition in English. That was the point.

For every equation there is a person behind it. What we are really talking about is nothing more that the correct way to apply the equation. So why don’t we ask the troublemaker himself, http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/q0162b.shtml

Avarst there shipmate Dak, Can you give an example?

Ok lets go look for that white whale. My curiosity about our language started when some of the younger members on this forum were thrown by taking things too literally. (The “Boot strap” misunderstanding.) Then later re enforced by the fact that many of the puzzles were only puzzles because of the way the spoken language worked. The “Shorter” puzzle. I guess to put it in a nutshell, I’m worried that if you cant say it with a sentence, then you cant think it. But just because the structure of English can not convey a fact, does not mean it is not real. And that leads to the possibility that with a more flexible language structure, more scientific possibilities may open up and become as plain as the nose on your face.

wow! I'm impressed. good detective skills.