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hey, just realized something. you are pretty smart, go look at your answer in post 216. there is much more to that than meets the eye. thats 216. got the wrong post number before.

So is your main motive for posting so diligently on this topic simply to express your beliefs whatever they may be , the actual topic itself is irrelevant? I’m looking for the main driving force here.

(this post should be transposed with the one above it) Thought. Are they the beliefs of your social group and do you adhere to them in order to belong? Have you picked them up by osmosis as it were?

did you have any idea where they came from then? did you think they were there in your head when you were born?

Have you noticed in court they always try and establish a motive. that's just what I'm looking for here. Not to use it to hamstring your argument but to bypass the BS.

Agree. but that wasn’t the way you phrased the question originally.

any particular women? carte blanche of course. http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/carte+blanche

It was just an example to try and convey my sentiment. What I’m really asking is what you hope to gain form being pro choice. I have told you what I hope to gain by being pro life. Ps I like unfinished paintings...that’s not a metaphor, it's really just a view about oil on canvas.

apologies did not mean to be dismissive, it was extremely well thought through.

Chill out Lucifer, no one believes that. and even if there are isolated incidents, then you will find them in every country. But hang on a second. according to your log in name (as the Mythological fallen angel and lord of lies) aren’t you supposed to be winding up the conflict rather than adding sense to it? See here . http://www.answers.com/topic/lucifer

Please be patient with me. I really want to understand your point of view. But my mind is not your mind and I can only see things in my way. I know what transformations a woman’s body goes through throughout life and agree totally that the burdens of childbirths are great upon the lifestyle and physical structure. But also that women live longer and have other endurance features added to assist the process. Can I throw this in while it’s fresh in my mind. The other motivation in my pro-life stance is a deep respect for the process of life. A similar example would be like watching a friend paint a beautiful picture in oils of your favourite place. I would never be able to deface that painting. I would be held back by my wonder at the artistic ability and thoughts of all the diligent effort of the artist as well as the sadness that there was one less beautiful thing in the world. When I think of all the evolutionary trial and effort, plants that die so you can eat, suns that burn to throw light on the plants, I couldn’t deface any creation of that process.

Do you suppose the whole debate pivots around control? And if you believe that life is like that Forrest Gump feather analogy then you accept limited control and deal with what comes your way as it comes. The other way to look at life is as if you have great power to steer your life in a particular direction to get everything you desire?

So for me the benefit of pro life is more of what I value (other little human beings who are endlessly entertaining with their dumb questions and stupid games) and for you the benefit of pro choice is freedom of ..movement…body shape?…financial planning?. Help me here, I’m struggling to understand.

Lets cut to the chase here. I believe that people take positions on topics to support some form of self gain. I take the pro life stance because to me children are the most wonderful expressions of life and humanity, and there is plenty of room for more of them in the developed nations. If you could dig up your self interest in taking a contrary position the we could lock horns on that level and you might find it interesting…or not?

Yet it doesn't seem odd to you that the topic of abortion was of similar concern to them as it is to us. Both parties separated by thousands of years..

Seems strange to me. Poor annotation becomes intentional deception and then is stretched to a possible repeat offence with the hidden motive of personal gain? That makes no sense….what’s to be gained? …an “A” on my term paper? Oh well, when in Rome…* *No idea when I heard that phrase.

Didn’t know that applied here. Thought it was obvious by it’s construction that it was a quote rather than my own words. Was trying to save people the trouble of clicking on a link. how in depth does the credit have to be? http://www-structmed.cimr.cam.ac.uk/Asclepius.html thats the link... but cant find out exactly who to quote? (I think only the picture is from Mythica). no transgression intended.

and that should immediately worry you. are you suggesting that the nature of humanity has changed that much? How old is that US constitution now?

It’s relevant because a medical person sticking a knife into you is making a surgical incision, anyone else is just stabbing you. They have the privileges and responsibilities granted to their fraternity. This is the constitution of their fraternity.

How pure is table salt? if purity is not an issue, then there is a tonne of sea water and sunlight out there.