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I would give another example that sometimes calculation cannot substitute to reality. It was during the time when aicraft was trying to go past speed of sound. Calculations showed that if an object tries to go beyond Mach 1, the drag will increase to almost infinity, thus requiring infinite thrust. So by then most of them agree no one can go faster than speed of sound. But an experiment using an aicraft doing a dive going mach 1 broke this theory, man can travel faster than speed of sound. They have to revise the calculations back then. So for humans we try to understand something and thus we create theories maybe not just from observation but calculation but in reality we may have overlook some aspects of it that may totally change what we know so far. Anyways actually we only call it laws of nature, this is a genral term for something, it is not name for some kind of formula or a single of observation. So we call it laws of nature because we cannot change it base on what we observe, it holds its own meaning for itself or we cannot define it.

How about make the lab work exciting, like tell them what could be the result of their work. As a student before we do the same not attending lab works specially if the activity is boring or repeated. Are they doing it group work? If so why not give the group we the best work a credit, grades or exceptions may do.

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Yes an apple will fall before even humans existed. It was not invented by humans but is limited to what we understand. Eg: law of gravity of newton and einstein. What they understand before is that due to mass that objects fall, even before gravity was discovered. The later comes law of gravity with objects of proportional mass and then came the curvature of fabric of space time. We did not invent this laws, this is the result of what we observed so far. If still people and scientist are not satisfied then it ends up as theory, but we may brand it as thoery but in reality its a law or vice versa, we brand it as a law but in reality its not. If you are questioning how this laws existed, as I mentioned above AFAIk we cannot say at atmost 100% that all laws are really laws, we have to remember we have macroscopic and quantum level. Laws may not apply to the other. I would not want to guess how they existed for the first place, but rather we have to dig deep into the level of how everything begun, the constituents of this universe which in turn limits what we understand so far. There are still things we don't see remember, dark energy, dark matter, maybe they have effect on gravity. This is what I want to express. What I wanna say: Don't limit yourself to what the laws says, sometimes they maybe exceptions and that is what science is all about. Anyways that is why I love science, there is more out there than meets the eye. We have lot more to learn and that is why it is not boring, everyday we progress we learn and we discover new things, we also create history.

Laws exist even before we all exist. But remember if there are multiverse we cannot say law here applies there. Much like country with different law. But the law is only limited to what we understand so far. Eg; Newton law and einstein law of gravity.

Law of thermodynamics says? there is definitely soething tansformed to heat energy. You apply force to a simple machine? you already burn energy and some tranformed to heat so there are still loses. But if we compute only during which the force is applied there are still loses. Eg: law of gravitation that each object aith mass pulls one another adds to something you need to overcome and will need you additional force. The scale might be mocroscopic but still loses ssuming .0001%

If you consider no external forces applied, ideal system, everything is conserved. If we are doing calculations you have to remember we don't care about the loses. Eg example above is what is the centrifugal force of a rotating object. Then from there we can dtermine the thing you are talking about. the required force to keep the path of the object in circle which is something needs to hold it. We assume the system is ideal. The string must be able to handle a force equal to that of the centrifugal force to be able to maintain same radius of the circle. in the case of energy. if there are no loses eg: heat friction air resistance gravity. It will continue to move on forever if no energy is transferred or transformed to other forms of energy. But we have to remember if it is a rotating body with centrifugal force acting, there is a force trying to deviate the path of the object then there are energy are loses.

^^^^ Yes that is the best way. When doing even basic science experiment you have to do more trials and record it. Then you get the mean. You have to consider other variables also specially if you don't have all the necessary equipments and location. Computation is whar we call theory since it may not exist in real life but proven in mathematical terms.

anyways I admit I learned a lot from this thread too. Can anyone suggest good math books for advance learnings. For masterals or doctorate degree?

Take note, we are a result of a reaction, it doesn't necessarily mean we are made of radiation or something, something might have reacted or fused with something thus creating something at which will combine to another something and so on and so forth. This things may not have created us but they contributed to the creation of what we are made of. Even anti matter may have contributed to that.

What a sad conclusion

Sir Unity may I ask what happened? Hve you found out if that is a prime?

Nope thats not always the case, if we integrate one side with time the other doesn't necesarily with time. It maybe such state such as point 1 to 2 or what happened to the other side as we integrate it from time 1 to time 2. The above is a clear example as time passes the initial velocity becomes final velocity so you get from state 1 to state 2 of something after some time passes. In laymans term, example you have zero velocity at time zero, what would happen at velocity at time "t" offcourse in law of physics there should be a force to increase the velocity so there is acceleration.

Transform it to something you can do trigonometric substitution You know: LIATE