Trump protestors

[Elite Engineer]

Civil unrest, assault, burning private property, because some of the electorate didn't like the results of a democratic election. This is shameful, and classless. I cannot recall Republicans rioting after the results of '08 and '12 elections, or any other election regarding both sides. Obama is calling for unification and a peaceful transition.

 

your thoughts?

 

~EE

[Phi for All]

I find your incredulity misplaced. This was an election stolen, perhaps by the Russians, perhaps by the FBI, perhaps by the electoral system, but stolen nonetheless. Clinton won the popular vote, and may have won cleanly without Comey and Putin's interference. While I don't condone the violence, I approve the fact that Americans are protesting something that matters, rather than just sitting back and taking it in the keister yet again.

 

There are a lot of People who feel a need for change who were smart enough to know Trump wasn't the person to bring it. You're seeing a lot of Sanders folks who saw some very bright social promise turn into more conservative selfishness.

[pzkpfw]

I certainly think destruction of private property is shameful, but the whole thing can't be laid all at the feet of the protesters.

 

The Trump side was making implied threats for a while about how they'd handle a loss; it wasn't all about genteel discussion.

 

They've also been pushing hard on the fractures in the U.S.; Trump and his supporters have not just been saying "Democratic party policies are wrong for (reason)" but actively demonising Hillary.

 

So they are partly reaping what they sowed.

 

 

I think the biggest issue is that the Republican/Democrat split is so black and white * in so many ways. e.g. younger voting D, older voting R. Rural voting R, urban voting D. Not all 100% of course, but often a clear majority voting one way or the other.

 

When a person and their peers vote in different ways because of personal differences of opinion on party politics, it's easier for everyone to just get along. But when the voting is so clearly divided, and mass peer groups all vote the same way, it's hardly surprising to see the "not my president" kind of thing pop up.

 

 

It's possibly amplified by the "direction". That is, if Hillary won, there'd be entire small towns who all voted Trump thinking "not the president of our town" - but out in the country what would they be doing? Their environment is different.

 

 

 

(* no pun intended. I'm not specifically meaning race, though that is one area of apparent division between D/R).

Edited November 11, 2016 by pzkpfw

[Elite Engineer]

 

The Trump side was making implied threats for a while about how they'd handle a loss; it wasn't all about genteel discussion.

 

 

Do you recall the wave of tweets, days prior to election in 2012, that if Obama did not win there would be riots?

[waitforufo]

Civil unrest, assault, burning private property, because some of the electorate didn't like the results of a democratic election. This is shameful, and classless. I cannot recall Republicans rioting after the results of '08 and '12 elections, or any other election regarding both sides. Obama is calling for unification and a peaceful transition.

 

your thoughts?

 

~EE

I was at my local watering hole last night. The place was rather crowded. I have to assume a 50/50 split of Trump Clinton supporters. They had the protests on TV. The crowd thought the protests were ridiculous. Many were openly laughing at the protesters. CNN was doing person on the street interviews. All responders seemed to be clueless idiots. Maybe the idiots were simply attracted to the lights and cameras, and wanted their moment fame.

 

On a similar topic, colleges and universities have their deans and chancellors sending out campus wide emails to there snowflake students that just can't bear the outcome of the election. Here is an example.

 

http://view.communications.cu.edu/?qs=d34dddcf03abffcc3b84380b3e6995ec084753f1401c5fc9f19169e6b112118dbc09761b6b81f1525ba70053af9895207877903158b99a49e244b99e7f18b8b01403742d8eb8743c

 

 

 

In every case, we are here to listen, engage and support one another. If you are struggling with the personal impact of this stressful time in any way, we have resources available to you. The campus provides safe spaces for discussions on identity, empowerment, intercultural competency and the impact of the election.

 

Can you imagine that the faculty would have had a similar response if Hillary had been elected?

 

Students at Cornell held a "Cry in".

 

Really?

I certainly think destruction of private property is shameful, but the whole thing can't be laid all at the feet of the protesters.

 

The Trump side was making implied threats for a while about how they'd handle a loss; it wasn't all about genteel discussion.

 

They've also been pushing hard on the fractures in the U.S.; Trump and his supporters have not just been saying "Democratic party policies are wrong for (reason)" but actively demonising Hillary.

 

So they are partly reaping what they sowed.

 

 

I think the biggest issue is that the Republican/Democrat split is so black and white * in so many ways. e.g. younger voting D, older voting R. Rural voting R, urban voting D. Not all 100% of course, but often a clear majority voting one way or the other.

 

When a person and their peers vote in different ways because of personal differences of opinion on party politics, it's easier for everyone to just get along. But when the voting is so clearly divided, and mass peer groups all vote the same way, it's hardly surprising to see the "not my president" kind of thing pop up.

 

 

It's possibly amplified by the "direction". That is, if Hillary won, there'd be entire small towns who all voted Trump thinking "not the president of our town" - but out in the country what would they be doing? Their environment is different.

 

 

 

(* no pun intended. I'm not specifically meaning race, though that is one area of apparent division between D/R).

I didn't see any posters or shouts of "not my president" when Obama was elected.

[Elite Engineer]

I find your incredulity misplaced. This was an election stolen, perhaps by the Russians, perhaps by the FBI, perhaps by the electoral system, but stolen nonetheless. Clinton won the popular vote, and may have won cleanly without Comey and Putin's interference. While I don't condone the violence, I approve the fact that Americans are protesting something that matters, rather than just sitting back and taking it in the keister yet again.

 

There are a lot of People who feel a need for change who were smart enough to know Trump wasn't the person to bring it. You're seeing a lot of Sanders folks who saw some very bright social promise turn into more conservative selfishness.

Comey I no doubt believe had a hand in the final result of the election. However, proving the Russians were involved is difficult to prove and glides along the lines of conspiracy. In any case, I'd say this is the result of Sanders being cheated against than the "Russians" and possibly Comey. Also, there is protesting (in my city, peaceful protests), but in other cities and towns there is straight riots and violence. A video is surfacing of a alleged Trump voter being ripped out of his car and being beaten for his vote..I believe in Chicago. Alas, Sanders was cheated against, and this is

 

Nonetheless this is the democratic process. If they want change, it will come in 2 years for Congress and 2 more for the executive branch.

So they are partly reaping what they sowed.

 

 

I think the biggest issue is that the Republican/Democrat split is so black and white * in so many ways. e.g. younger voting D, older voting R. Rural voting R, urban voting D. Not all 100% of course, but often a clear majority voting one way or the other.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yes, I think this may be a more divisive election than 2000, merely because of the suprise and who the winner was. Still, the outcome is no excuse for riots and violence.

I was at my local watering hole last night. The place was rather crowded. I have to assume a 50/50 split of Trump Clinton supporters. They had the protests on TV. The crowd thought the protests were ridiculous. Many were openly laughing at the protesters. CNN was doing person on the street interviews. All responders seemed to be clueless idiots. Maybe the idiots were simply attracted to the lights and cameras, and wanted their moment fame.

 

On a similar topic, colleges and universities have their deans and chancellors sending out campus wide emails to there snowflake students that just can't bear the outcome of the election. Here is an example.

 

http://view.communications.cu.edu/?qs=d34dddcf03abffcc3b84380b3e6995ec084753f1401c5fc9f19169e6b112118dbc09761b6b81f1525ba70053af9895207877903158b99a49e244b99e7f18b8b01403742d8eb8743c

 

 

Can you imagine that the faculty would have had a similar response if Hillary had been elected?

 

Students at Cornell held a "Cry in".

 

Really?

I didn't see any posters or shouts of "not my president" when Obama was elected.

Agreed. The double standard is bleeding out like a stuck pig. Had it been reversed and Trump supporters were doing this, it'd be on the front page of Time.

Found the video of a trump voter being beaten:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnQNFBHHs6w

[Arete]

Agreed. The double standard is bleeding out like a stuck pig. Had it been reversed and Trump supporters were doing this, it'd be on the front page of Time.

 

 

What about the birther movement? Also, thinks like this:

 

 

Are not difficult to come across.

[Phi for All]

Comey I no doubt believe had a hand in the final result of the election. However, proving the Russians were involved is difficult to prove and glides along the lines of conspiracy.

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-cyber-russia-idUSKCN12729B

“The U.S. Intelligence Community is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from U.S. persons and institutions, including from U.S. political organizations,” said a joint statement from the two agencies. “. . . These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the U.S. election process.”

 

[Elite Engineer]

 

 

What about the birther movement? Also, thinks like this:

 

 

Are not difficult to come across.

Sure, it's an offensive political ad, and the birther movement never had any ground nor harmful effects, just idiots shouting. However, today, we have anti-Trump protestors actually rioting, causing harm, causing damage. Republicans did not riot en masse the day after the 2012 election. If they did it would be a national sensation. This is the democratic process, accept the results. Today, Obama is calling for unification and peace, not violence.

Edited November 11, 2016 by Elite Engineer

[waitforufo]

 

 

What about the birther movement? Also, thinks like this:

 

 

Are not difficult to come across.

 

Come on. Try a little harder. Show me something like this...

 

 

or this...

 

 

Here is more on the cry in at Cornell.

 

http://cornellsun.com/2016/11/09/devastated-cornellians-mourn-election-of-donald-trump-at-cry-in/

 

 

 

Willard Straight Hall Resource Center employees gave out blankets, tissues and hot chocolate to keep participants warm, while students signed posters with words of encouragement and protest, including “Donald Trump is not my president.”

 

Sorry to break it to the "not my president" crowd, but Trump will very soon be your president.

[iNow]

It really isn't hard to find examples of post election mobs of Obama hatred in both 2008/09 and 2012/13.

 

Pretending it didn't happen is disingenuous. Asking others to dig up images and examples of those events serves what productive purpose, exactly?

[Delta1212]

The act of protesting is never shameful, and any non-violent form of protest is acceptable. Taking other means, especially violent ones would be and is shameful, but the simple act of expressing, publically and in an assembled group, your displeasure with the result of the political process, even a result arrived at legally and through our democracy, is not and never will be in and of itself shameful.

 

The fact that protest itself often gets equated with acts of violence or vandalism that occur sometimes in and around protests is, in my opinion, the thing that is shameful. And if you want to talk about people who have channeled their anger and frustration specifically into violent and destructive acts then I will join you in condemning those people and people like them.

 

But the act of protest should be considered sacred and not equated with criminality no matter who is protesting. You don't have to like people who are protesting or agree with what they are protesting about, but protesting itself is never the problem.

[Externet]

On BBC news today, nearly everyone interviewers to interviewed seemed trying now to bootlick, fawn up, flatter Mr. Trump.

[Elite Engineer]

It really isn't hard to find examples of post election mobs of Obama hatred in both 2008/09 and 2012/13.

 

Pretending it didn't happen is disingenuous. Asking others to dig up images and examples of those events serves what productive purpose, exactly?

define "post election mob". Because in this case, we're talking about the rioters causing physical harm and damage. Not protestors.

Edited November 11, 2016 by Elite Engineer

[rangerx]

define "post election mob". Because in this case, we're talking about the rioters causing physical harm and damage. Not protestors.

 

It's no secret, gun nuts had their plan for violent armed protests had Hillary won.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/28/us/politics/donald-trump-voters.html?_r=0

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-militia-idUSKBN12X11R

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/28/donald-trump-supporters-warn-of-another-revolutionary-war-if-hil/

[Elite Engineer]

 

It's no secret, gun nuts had their plan for violent armed protests had Hillary won.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/28/us/politics/donald-trump-voters.html?_r=0

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-militia-idUSKBN12X11R

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/28/donald-trump-supporters-warn-of-another-revolutionary-war-if-hil/

So did Obama supporters in 2012: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/18/obama-backers-threaten-postelection-violence-griev/

 

and here:http://twitchy.com/jessem-34/2012/11/02/as-election-day-nears-obama-supporters-step-up-riot-threats/

 

 

Fact of the matter is, when Obama won twice, there were no riots.

[rangerx]

Fact of the matter is, when Obama won twice, there were no riots.

 

It didn't stop the racism though.

 

Every election with have it's sore losers, but the sheer volume sore winners in this cycle in this cycle is glaringly obvious.

 

One contributor in this thread already had a thread locked because of it.

 

 

There's also a new form of bigotry resulting from this... the marginalization of liberals. That includes otherwise moderate conservatives.

 

Simply because Trump became president, does not automatically make neoconservative falsehoods true, so long as he's in office.

 

 

[Elite Engineer]

 

It didn't stop the racism though.

 

Every election with have it's sore losers, but the sheer volume sore winners in this cycle in this cycle is glaringly obvious.

 

 

 

Well,for Trump supporters, I think it's more of a validation of biased polling. Multiple polls and news sources had trump losing in a historic landslide in both electoral votes and popular. The fact that Trump won so large (electoral vote, not popular) is what I believe is what's driving this sustained gloating. Doesn't matter who the president is. Elements of racism will linger, hopefully getting smaller and smaller every year.

[rangerx]

Elements of racism will linger, hopefully getting smaller and smaller every year.

 

It shouldn't linger. It must be repudiated, promptly. Otherwise it appears tolerated or at the very least indifferent.

 

Neocons expect that from otherwise peaceful Muslims, blacks, first nations et al, why not themselves?

[Delta1212]

Well,for Trump supporters, I think it's more of a validation of biased polling. Multiple polls and news sources had trump losing in a historic landslide in both electoral votes and popular. The fact that Trump won so large (electoral vote, not popular) is what I believe is what's driving this sustained gloating. Doesn't matter who the president is. Elements of racism will linger, hopefully getting smaller and smaller every year.

The fact that this forum and other places I frequent got a healthy injection of racist propaganda over the last few days (and weeks) and the fact that the KKK is now planning a victory parade for December makes me think the racism isn't just lingering on as it gets smaller and smaller.

 

There's been a distinct upswell over the past year and we're seeing it crescendo at the moment.

[Arete]

On the flipside of this, there has been a rash of racially motivated attacks against minority groups in the wake of Trump's election. http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/welcome-to-trumps-america-58-reports-of-people-bullied-by-emboldened-bigots-and-the-list-is-growing/

Edited November 11, 2016 by Arete

[MigL]

Ahhh Americans.

They're my neighbors and I love them, but they're not ones to pass up an opportunity to riot every chance they get.

 

But you guys gotta relax, and keep things in perspective. There are things that are way more important than this election. Family, health, your job, etc. all are way higher on the importance list. Life will go on, even with D. Trump as President.

 

And don't forget, in four years you have the opportunity for a do-over

[iNow]

define "post election mob". Because in this case, we're talking about the rioters causing physical harm and damage. Not protestors.

This is shameful, and classless. I cannot recall Republicans rioting after the results of '08 and '12 elections, or any other election

Your attempt to write for us here a myopic revisionist history helps no one. Your incredulity is meaningless.

 

This suggestion that one side or one race is better than "the other" is misguided and remedially false. This idea I keep seeing (and which you touch upon) that one group is pure as snow and the other is satans spawn are tiresome and far too common.

 

Please. Just stop. You're doing little more than cherry-picking and engaging in selective blindness.

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/27738018/ns/us_news-life/t/obama-election-spurs-race-threats-crimes/

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2012/11/07/radical-right-obama-victory-brings-fury-and-fear

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/08/2-arrested-as-anti-obama-protests-escalate-at-ole-miss.html

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/20/13989510-empty-chair-lynchings-anti-obama-protests-gone-too-far

http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2009/09/16/a-trail-of-shame-racism-and-th/

Edited November 11, 2016 by iNow

[Prometheus]

Ahhh Americans.

They're my neighbors and I love them, but they're not ones to pass up an opportunity to riot every chance they get.

 

But you guys gotta relax, and keep things in perspective. There are things that are way more important than this election. Family, health, your job, etc. all are way higher on the importance list. Life will go on, even with D. Trump as President.

 

And don't forget, in four years you have the opportunity for a do-over

 

I largely agree with this sentiment, except for one caveat.

 

Trump and Pence are both climate science deniers and have said they will push back climate related legislation and maybe even the Paris agreement - which could have a domino effect on other world powers. It's already going to a rough ride even with such agreements in place - i'm not sure how much damage can be done in 4 years.

 

It's kind of like being in a car with a speeding drunk. I wouldn't care so much if i could i could get out of the car, but i'm stuck, so i just have to plead with the driver to be careful while they trump on about there being no evidence they will crash...

 

However, there might be a time and a place for violence but this isn't it.

[Raider5678]

It's no secret, gun nuts had their plan for violent armed protests had Hillary won.

As much as I usually disagree with you, I still have to disagree with you. There was a whole lot more then just violent armed protests. Well, actually, it hinged more on the side that they would escalate, and grow out of control, etc.