Looking for scientists for serious project.

[ἀγάπ]

Hello. I'm looking for scientist for serious project research. I have no idea where I can put those things into working but they are health related and energy related.

 

Energy (Qi/Chi) seems to be ridiculed by science which is defensive behavior from maniacs and hoax. I did a lot of research on that topic (mostly practical) and I see big potential to change our future if we develop science to discover this aspect of ourselves and reality. Like healing, recovery of bones structure, emotion control (being always happy or always happy-pills, no suffering pills), using technology to create and project those things. I would gladly prove and show how to generate energy for different use.

 

I have a lot of ideas who we can put this in use in everyday life - but I need scientists who can help me discover technology or at least preceptors who can first "catch" this subtle energy so we can measure it, discover it what it is, if it's atomic or non-atomic. etc.

 

 

Anybody can help or at least contribute where I can go with such ideas?

[DrKrettin]

Energy (Qi/Chi) seems to be ridiculed by science which is defensive behavior from maniacs and hoax.

 

Mainstream science recognizes energy as a definable and measurable concept. If you want to research something like Qi/Chi, I suggest you either demonstrate that it is a form of energy as scientifically recognized, or you call it something else. The former option will probably result in a Nobel prize.

Edited December 4, 2016 by DrKrettin

[StringJunky]

 

Mainstream science recognizes energy as a definable and measurable concept. If you want to research something like Qi/Chi, I suggest you either demonstrate that it is a form of energy as scientifically recognized, or you call it something else. The former option will probably result in a Nobel prize.

Then he'll have people queuing at the door.

[John Cuthber]

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Energy (Qi/Chi) seems to be ridiculed by science ...

 

 

Energy is not ridiculed by science.

Chi isn't recognised by science because there's no evidence for it.

Saying science ridicules chi is like saying we ridicule unicorns. That's' nonsense, we can't laugh at a unicorn; they are not there to laugh at.

 

Scientists might ridicule people who believe that chi exists.

The first thing you need to do is show that chi actually exists.

Until you can do that I strongly urge you not to come back; (BTW you are likely to get ridiculed if you do.)

[ἀγάπ]

yes, I'm actually thinking that if we can discover this energy which seems to be more subtle then physical one we can open new technology from sci-fi. I can prove it but I need person who is into science and can discover the root of this or energy, how to measure it. I have some ideas too and blueprints for that, but this is the question of finding right person. Which branch of science can actually get into this energy? Physics?

 

Sorry for being disrespectful as such with ridicule thing but when I speak to people about energy they seems to bash it as nonsense even if I can proof it anytime in any lab condition to exists - that why I come forward as I'm not much intelligent person science-wise and I have no idea from where I can grasp and measure this energy, where it comes from and how we can use it for our wellbeing, health thru scientific terms not new age terms.

 

thanks.

 

Nobel prize would be nice, but the best is if we can get ourself wellbeing and less suffering in our everyday life and loved ones.

Edited December 4, 2016 by ἀγάπ

[DrKrettin]

yes, I'm actually thinking that if we can discover this energy which seems to be more subtle then physical one ....

 

.... even if I can proof it anytime in any lab condition to exists -

 

If it is not "The physical one" then it is not what mainstream science calls energy, so give it another name! If lab conditions exist to prove it, then it must by a physical energy. How do you expect to measure some form of "mental energy" in a lab?

[ἀγάπ]

That why I need someone from scientific background so we can team up and explore this dimension of energy.

[DrKrettin]

That why I need someone from scientific background so we can team up and explore this dimension of energy.

 

Fine, but there is no evidence at all that this kind of "energy" you are talking about actually exists. None whatsoever. So why would a scientist want to team up with you?

[John Cuthber]

That why I need someone from scientific background so we can team up and explore this dimension of energy.

Energy doesn't have dimensions.

What do you think you mean?

[DrKrettin]

Energy doesn't have dimensions.

What do you think you mean?

 

He's not using the terms "energy" and "dimensions" as a scientist would. I've tried having this kind of conversion many times, and they inevitably fail because when the terms differ from scientifically accepted ones, nobody is ever capable of defining what they actually do mean. This makes the dialogue impossible.

[ἀγάπ]

Let me first clear some points. I'm not here to sell anything like mumbo jumbo. I'm discovered something and not making up things like "oh this is god" or whatever claims. I do not know what it is exactly but from what I understand on actual level it's seems to be kind of energy which governs things in our reality.

 

Secondly. I can prove to anybody existence of this energy but I need platform for it or person who is able to help me with such things or have same interests with scientific background, not like scientist which actually going to examine dead body with dry attitude.

 

 

 

there is no evidence at all that this kind of "energy" you are talking about actually exists. None whatsoever. So why would a scientist want to team up with you?

 

Yes, that true there is no evidence of this so it would be easier to give "evidence" to scientific person in case of experience so it would be easier to discover what is it as there will be some basis to do so. No evidence of things does not mean there do not exists as some of you pointed out up.

 

 

 

Energy doesn't have dimensions.

What do you think you mean?

I will try learn definition of those words more related to the scientific terms but right now I will explain what I mean by those words

Energy is sense of force which governs our reality as such. Like vitality, body functions, movement of atoms (this is just theory or just example, can be wrong with atoms) and those are dimensions that this "energy" as basis governs or moves various dimensions of our reality, experience, emotion and everyday life.

I will try the best to explain those things but please remember I'm not scientist as such with background, knowledge as probably you guys here so just please take a not and do not bounce on me so we can understand each other the best for our wellbeing.

[DrKrettin]

 

No evidence of things does not mean there do not exists as some of you pointed out up.

 

I agree - a lack of evidence does not prove it does not exist. But you have to appreciate that science works with quantifiable variables, and if you can't quantify or measure some concept, then it remains in the realm of philosophy.

 

 

 

Energy is sense of force which governs our reality as such. Like vitality, body functions, movement of atoms ... and those are dimensions that this "energy" as basis governs or moves various dimensions of our reality, experience, emotion and everyday life.

 

Here, I understand what you are referring to. But in scientific terms, energy and force are not the same and cannot be equated. You are using a vocabulary which a scientist will dismiss as meaningless. This does not mean that your concepts do not exist, just that you are not being scientific when describing them.

 

Edit: how can I chop up a post and create two quotations? This formatting baffles me

Edited December 4, 2016 by DrKrettin

[Mordred]

when you use the quote function you will notice two quote commands enclosed by

 

[...] copy those two quote commands one at the beginning and one at the end of the quoted section. Copy them and place them where you want your seperations.

 

Keep your replies outside the enclosed quote commands.

[Phi for All]

I do not know what it is exactly but from what I understand on actual level it's seems to be kind of energy which governs things in our reality.

 

Does it involve a psi-wheel, or something you move with this energy?

[DrKrettin]

when you use the quote function you will notice two quote commands enclosed by

 

[...] copy those two quote commands one at the beginning and one at the end of the quoted section. Copy them and place them where you want your seperations.

 

Keep your replies outside the enclosed quote commands.

 

But I don't see this. All I see is the box on light blue with a heading "Modred... said" Sorry to be off-topic

[Mordred]

 

But I don't see this. All I see is the box on light blue with a heading "Modred... said" Sorry to be off-topic

 

Yeah I forgot the PC version is actually trickier in this instance than the mobile version. OK lets stick to PC version where you won't see the quote tags. Do a single quote then edit the section in the grey box. Type your reply outside that grey area. Then post and do another quote, follow the same procedure and edit the unneeded lines. The second quote should place at the end of your previous reply

yes, I'm actually thinking that if we can discover this energy which seems to be more subtle then physical one we can open new technology from sci-fi. I can prove it but I need person who is into science and can discover the root of this or energy, how to measure it. I have some ideas too and blueprints for that, but this is the question of finding right person. Which branch of science can actually get into this energy? Physics?

 

 

reply just to demonstrate

 

 

Sorry for being disrespectful as such with ridicule thing but when I speak to people about energy they seems to bash it as nonsense even if I can proof it anytime in any lab condition to exists - that why I come forward as I'm not much intelligent person science-wise and I have no idea from where I can grasp and measure this energy, where it comes from and how we can use it for our wellbeing, health thru scientific terms not new age terms.

 

the above procedure works, just had to test on PC version lol I usually use my phone

Edited December 4, 2016 by Mordred

[John Cuthber]

Let me first clear some points. I'm not here to sell anything like mumbo jumbo.

Are you aware that every single scientific exploration of Chi showed that it was nothing but mumbo jumbo?

Also, unless it's the capacity to do work, it's not something you can call "energy" on a science web page.

 

If yo mean this sort of thing " Like vitality, body functions, movement of atoms (this is just theory or just example, can be wrong with atoms) and those are dimensions that this "energy" as basis governs or moves various dimensions of our reality, experience, emotion and everyday life. " then there's a problem.

Science discredited Vitalism a long time ago.

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Saying science ridicules chi is like saying we ridicule unicorns. That's' nonsense, we can't laugh at a unicorn; they are not there to laugh at.

 

Until you can do that I strongly urge you not to come back; (BTW you are likely to get ridiculed if you do.)

 

Especially if you are wearing one of these;

 

[Mordred]

My wifes favourite shirt.

[Phi for All]

My wifes favourite shirt.

 

Sorry, but that shirt is frikkin' ridiculous.

 

Mine is blue, though, and that makes all the difference. Totally badass.

[Mordred]

my wifes fav color is pink. I would never wear pink no way no how lol. I prefer dragon t shirts from that series lol

Edited December 5, 2016 by Mordred

[ἀγάπ]

Does it involve a psi-wheel, or something you move with this energy?

 

No. It's would induce personal experience so person can clearly comperhand and have basis to search for the source.

 

 

 

If yo mean this sort of thing " Like vitality, body functions, movement of atoms (this is just theory or just example, can be wrong with atoms) and those are dimensions that this "energy" as basis governs or moves various dimensions of our reality, experience, emotion and everyday life. " then there's a problem.

Science discredited Vitalism a long time ago.

I can prove that by inducting energy into person he would have at least 50% to 80% results in any sport and it will be hard for him to be tired or weak. If we can discover how to induct or inject that energy into ourselves more efficient there are so many possibilities

Nice shirt

Edited December 5, 2016 by ἀγάπ

[DrKrettin]

 

I can prove that by inducting energy into person he would have at least 50% to 80% results in any sport and it will be hard for him to be tired or weak. If we can discover how to induct or inject that energy into ourselves more efficient there are so many possibilities

 

More efficiently than what? Can you show that it is actually possible?

[ἀγάπ]

yes, I personally train with body workout, one time when I "injected" energy in my body it's worked better then pre-workout supplement. If you give me like 2 people or more group who "inject energy" and those who not you clearly will see the difference.

[Bignose]

yes, I personally train with body workout, one time when I "injected" energy in my body it's worked better then pre-workout supplement. If you give me like 2 people or more group who "inject energy" and those who not you clearly will see the difference.

So, you have a single anecdote in which the participant wasn't blind to what you were doing (because that was you). Placebo effect is very, very strong.

 

You want at least the beginning of approaching this scientifically?

 

You need to get 30 people willing to be in the study. You need them to perform some activity to a statistically valid baseline. You need to randomly select half of them to receive your 'treatment', and the other half to undergo the same motions/chants/process but not actually receive the 'treatment'. Then repeat the tests and see if those 15 actually perform "50-80%" better.

 

This will give you a start to maybe, possibly get someone else to investigate. It certainly won't be conclusive, but it would be a start.