What infinity is realized in universe?

[Michael F. D.]

Exists plenty of types of infinity in mathematician.

We consider two of them.

1) Illusory infinity.

This infinity of the expansion. This process of the endless multiplying of the zero. If a zero is absolute that this process will not change nothing. The Zero will be remain the Zero. For this reason interesting idea was invented. An absolute zero, in unknown effect, has ceased to be such in the some moment. Hereinafter this process had been applied to 3D space. But then it is necessary to acknowledge that it was received 3D number (??? !!!!) from absolute zero, for begining. Though such number is not possible to present, imagination of people has allowed to present product of one - continuously expanding 3D Space. For the scientific motivation of such model, it was happened to think up the ensemble of the props, which does not works. More exactly such a model leans onto illusion taken as reality.

 

2) Real infinity.

It present the result of the process of endless dividing of any real number. This is infinity of reduction of the source value.

Any a difference from absolute zero is endless. For this reason initial number can be as please small. The single necessities this existence of the absolute zero and such zero exists.

This infinity is real.

 

When considering these two varieties of infinity, for the reason buildings of such object as the universe, advantages of the second one is obvious with all standpoint. Though a compare of illusion with reality there is no point.

So. Infinity is directed on inward, to absolute zero, but not on outward, to absurd.

 

God does not allow the mistake unlike people.

 

© 2003 Michael F. Dmitriyev

[JaKiri]

Whut?

[Radical Edward]

Originally posted by MrL_JaKiri

Whut?

 

my sentiments exactly. I thought I would let you deal with it as your a mathematician type, and I prefer to run away from anything with infinity in it.

[JaKiri]

Well, the first one appears to have no meaning at all, and the second one tells us that dividing by zero is an undefined operation.

 

As far as I can gather.

[Radical Edward]

I thought that 1 was multiplying something by zero never gets you anywhere apart from zero, and you can do this an infinity times and never get anywhere (this infinity being an illusory infinity)

 

the other one looks like you divide something by a real number infinity times and get a zero, this infinity being a real one.+

 

basically:

 

R*(n0)=0 where n is illusory when you let it tend to infinity

R₁/nR₂=0 where n is real when you let it tend to infinity.

 

note that I am not using "real" in the mathematical concept of a real number, and I have no idea what he means by it, or illusory.

[JaKiri]

You put it in symbolic form so it must be right!

[Radical Edward]

you forgot to point out his error.

If R₂ is a real (in the mathematical sense) number as he described, then take the region 0:geq:|R₂|:geq:1 and when n zips off to infinity, so does the result.

[JaKiri]

What do you mean, his error? He only made one?

[Radical Edward]

well admittedly there are others, but that one becomes rather transparent in a mathematical formalism, if you put your hand over the explanation of n.

[Michael F. D.]

Originally posted by MrL_JaKiri

Well, the first one appears to have no meaning at all, and the second one tells us that dividing by zero is an undefined operation.

 

As far as I can gather.

1) ABSOLUTE ZERO ----> 3D number * T = 3D SPACETIME

 

Here

T - Time

Limit T---> infinity

3D number - unknown type of number

 

2) mathematically

Real number/ T -----> ABSOLUTE ZERO

 

or physically

 

d(TC - Entropy) /d T = Evolution

Here

TC - Time Cycle of universe

Limit Evolution ----> ABSOLUTE

TC=constant

TC - entropy= FORCE for save of TC (all known and unknown yet phenomenas, such as gravity force, EM force etc.)

[fafalone]

From what I can gather he's saying lim x^2|x->:inf: is illusory and lim 1/x|x->:inf: is real. But the post if far to incoherent to figure out how he's applying this to the universe.

[fafalone]

Absolute zero is a theoretical condition, it does not actually exist anywhere in the known universe.

 

The limit of "time" is not infinity if you're approaching zero; it's a planck time.

 

d(TC - Entropy) /d T = Evolution

 

What are you talking about!?

 

Not that your equation makes any sense whatsoever, but entropy (S) is a scalar value so the derivative in of that with respect to T is 1. Evolution is not "1", this makes no sense whatsoever.

[JaKiri]

what about d(TC)/dt?

[fafalone]

since C is constant that's 1.

[JaKiri]

Originally posted by fafalone

since C is constant that's 1.

 

You implied that d('Entropy')/dt was 1, hence my confusion.

 

Also

 

HOW CAN EVOLUTION, WHICH IS A QUALITATIVE CONCEPT, HAVE A NUMERICAL VALUE?

[fafalone]

But the derivative of a constant is zero... not 1

 

and we can't even know absolute entropy... only change in entropy.

[Michael F. D.]

Originally posted by fafalone

Absolute zero is a theoretical condition, it does not actually exist anywhere in the known universe.

 

The limit of "time" is not infinity if you're approaching zero; it's a planck time.

 

d(TC - Entropy) /d T = Evolution

 

What are you talking about!?

 

Not that your equation makes any sense whatsoever, but entropy (S) is a scalar value so the derivative in of that with respect to T is 1. Evolution is not "1", this makes no sense whatsoever.

Absolute zero exist in universe. It is the object was named "Black Hole".

TC - this is Time Cycle. No speed of light "c" here.

[fafalone]

Originally posted by Michael F. D.

Absolute zero exist in universe. It is the object was named "Black Hole".

 

 

No. A black hole is not at absolute zero.

 

 

and you said: "TC=constant", so your equation is always zero.

[Michael F. D.]

Originally posted by MrL_JaKiri

what about d(TC)/dt?

This implies, that all temporary cycles (TC) of all the objects are synchronized by minimum cycle of time - Plank time.

The universe exists in reality in the current of this minimum cycle of time only. This gives a spare in energy. It must be unmeasured less than in the event of unceasing existence.

The unceasing processes this is wastfulness of energy.

I believe that a nature is not so foolish.

[fafalone]

Completely incoherent babble.

[Michael F. D.]

Originally posted by fafalone

No. A black hole is not at absolute zero.

 

 

and you said: "TC=constant", so your equation is always zero.

Entropy is not constant. Consequently (TC - Entropy) this not constant too.

[fafalone]

The entropy of a system is expressed as a number, which is constant for a system.

 

S = k log w, where k is Boltzmann's constant, and w is the number of possible states of a system, which is also constant. Hence the absolute entropy for a particular system is equal to a scalar number; and whether this number is changing or not, the cause of the change is not part of the equation, and hence the derivative is zero.

[Michael F. D.]

Originally posted by fafalone

Completely incoherent babble.

Incoherent with than? Who can define of whose a glance is closer to reality ?

[fafalone]

Who can define what is it you of talking.

[Michael F. D.]

Originally posted by fafalone

The entropy of a system is expressed as a number, which is constant for a system.

 

S = k log w, where k is Boltzmann's constant, and w is the number of possible states of a system, which is also constant. Hence the absolute entropy for a particular system is equal to a scalar number; and whether this number is changing or not, the cause of the change is not part of the equation, and hence the derivative is zero.

Since a different objects interacts, that value of entropy changes. The process of regeneration TC of one object to account TC of other, can bring the importance of entropy in minimum for one object and in maximum for the other.