Externet Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 |\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\|======================== ---> Took 356 Newtons to compress a spring 0.5 metre. A 1 Kg rod contacting its end gets pushed when the spring is released. Is that enough data to calculate the acceleration, or : Took 356 Newtons to compress a spring. A 1 Kg rod contacting its end gets pushed during 0.1 second when the spring is released to full extension. Is that enough data to calculate the acceleration ? What formula should be applied ? -Ignoring friction, drag- Is the calculated acceleration result the one at the end of spring extension; at position 0.5m away and 0.1 second from firing ? ( The initial force applied to the rod is 356 Newtons and linearly? decreases to zero in 0.5m of travel that takes 0.1 second. ) Nope, not homework Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.C.MacSwell Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 You have enough if you include enough simplifying assumptions, Ideal spring, massless, force is proportional to displacement. The acceleration can be calculated at any point after release and will be proportional to the force and thus displacement where a=F/m. You can use calculus to do the same wrt time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sriman Dutta Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 I think..... a=F/m=kx/m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Externet Posted January 5, 2017 Author Share Posted January 5, 2017 (edited) Please check my rationale... Initial velocity Vi is 0, spring compressed.Impulse force F applied is 356 Newtons at start of travel.Time the force is applied is 0.1 seconds during spring expansion = ΔtFinal velocity Vf at release is unknown = Vf = Vfinal - Vinitial = ΔvAcceleration is a = Δv/Δt = F/mΔv = Δt F /m = 0.1s x 356N / 1Kg = 35.6 m/s <---- take-off velocity. a = 35.6m/s / 0.1s = 356m/s^2The kinetic energy Ek = mv^2 / 21 x 35.6 x 35.6 /2 = 633.68 Joules. But, do I instead need to integrate the force applied during 0.1 second while linearly decreases to zero ? Edited January 5, 2017 by Externet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janus Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 The acceleration will not be constant as the spring depresses. It will decrease from 356 m/s2 to 0 m/s2 over the 1/2 meter. So I assume you are looking for the net acceleration. In which case you have to integrate the force over the 1/2 meter to get the energy difference between start and finish, and then use this to determine the final speed of the rod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Externet Posted January 5, 2017 Author Share Posted January 5, 2017 (edited) Thanks, Janus. Then, there is where am stuck. To express the event into an integral equation. Potential energy of the compressed spring Ep = 1/2 x F x d = 356N x 0.5m / 2 = 89 J. Which with 'no losses', transfers to the rod as kinetic energy Ek: Ep = Ek Ek = 89 J = 1/2 x m x v^2 v^2 = 89 J x 2 / 1Kg v = 13.34 m/s Got it or goofed ? Edited January 5, 2017 by Externet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Looks correct. Much easier that way than doing the integration, although the result will be the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Externet Posted January 8, 2017 Author Share Posted January 8, 2017 I thank you Bender very much for replying, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zztop Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 But, do I instead need to integrate the force applied during 0.1 second while linearly decreases to zero ? You needed to form the differential equation: [latex]m \frac{d^2x}{dt^2}=kx[/latex] Do you know how to set the initial conditions? Do you know how to solve differential equations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Externet Posted January 9, 2017 Author Share Posted January 9, 2017 Do you know how to set the initial conditions? No, and thank you. Do you know how to solve differential equations? I did, 44 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zztop Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 (edited) No, and thank you. I did, 44 years ago. The solution is [latex]x(t)=A e^{-t \sqrt{a}}+B e^{t \sqrt{a}}[/latex] where [latex]a=\frac{k}{m}[/latex] You can get A and B from setting the initial conditions. You have them in the problem. Edited January 9, 2017 by zztop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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