farolero Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 http://www.research.ibm.com/quantum/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phi for All Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 ! Moderator Note Discussions can't be based on links alone. Please give an overview of what you wish to discuss. Topics must be discussable without leaving the site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 We had a colloquium last week on quantum information, by Bill Phillips (Nobel 1997) NIST/JQI, and he mentioned this. And pointed out that the results from this are easily achieved on any regular computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imatfaal Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 I wonder how many bits you need to implement Shor's Algorithm? Actually just checked and you can implement upto an input of 15 with 5 qubits! Fast factorisation - admittedly of number we can already do in our heads... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farolero Posted January 16, 2017 Author Share Posted January 16, 2017 i thought it would interest you how else could you use a true random number generator? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 (edited) how else could you use a true random number generator? https://www.random.org "RANDOM.ORG offers true random numbers to anyone on the Internet. The randomness comes from atmospheric noise, which for many purposes is better than the pseudo-random number algorithms typically used in computer programs. People use RANDOM.ORG for holding drawings, lotteries and sweepstakes, to drive online games, for scientific applications and for art and music." Edited January 16, 2017 by Strange 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farolero Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 thanks for the link, i was aware of that site but thats not trully random but just to difficult to predict as a coint toss which is neither random with that quantum computer you could for example check princeton studies on how global events like 911 or lady di death affected chance on TRUE quantum random number generators for example you could do this experiment there you couldnt do with your site you generate a true random number and if it turns one you kill an egg who knows maybe the universe abhorres a meaningless destruction of abeing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 thanks for the link, i was aware of that site but thats not trully random but just to difficult to predict as a coint toss which is neither random Why is not truly random? Why do they say it is, if it isn't? It certainly seems to be: https://www.random.org/analysis/ And why do you think a quantum computer is better able to produce random numbers? Intel processors already include a true random number generator: http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/hardware/behind-intels-new-randomnumber-generator/0 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farolero Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 youre confusing randomness with unpredictability and theyre not the same thing: the statistical analisis of random org could be applied to a coin toss and i think we can agree a coin toss is not random but too complex to be predicted but if you knew all factors with detail you could predict the outcome its the same for intel chips, theyre too complex to be predicted but not true random in order to avoid hacking those random number generators are just as random as the decimals of square root of two apparently random if you dont know the key but not quite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 its the same for intel chips, theyre too complex to be predicted but not true random in order to avoid hacking I assume you didn't read the article then. And why do you think a quantum computer is better able to produce random numbers? Can you provide a reference to support this claim? Because it is not something I have heard of. How about the UK's "ERNIE", which uses thermal noise. Do you claim that is not truly random as well? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premium_Bond#ERNIE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) youre confusing randomness with unpredictability and theyre not the same thing: the statistical analisis of random org could be applied to a coin toss and i think we can agree a coin toss is not random but too complex to be predicted but if you knew all factors with detail you could predict the outcome its the same for intel chips, theyre too complex to be predicted but not true random in order to avoid hacking those random number generators are just as random as the decimals of square root of two apparently random if you dont know the key but not quite What's the difference between a random number and a number that's too complex to predict? Edited January 17, 2017 by dimreepr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farolero Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 not even the intel chips dare to call themselves true random cause theyre not a hand coin toss is unpredictable a quantum coin toss is trully random in a hand coin toss in all wordls theres the same outcome given the same factors in a quantum coin toss given the same initial factors in every world theres a different outcome hell even you can reproduce now shroedinger thought experiment with that quantum computer and an egg but of course you wont do this experiment nor thank me for my link cause you dont like physics its just your job and youre not here to learn youre here to argue i can grant you myself as soon i as i have eggs ill test -2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 not even the intel chips dare to call themselves true random cause theyre not a hand coin toss is unpredictable a quantum coin toss is trully random in a hand coin toss in all wordls theres the same outcome given the same factors in a quantum coin toss given the same initial factors in every world theres a different outcome hell even you can reproduce now shroedinger thought experiment with that quantum computer and an egg but of course you wont do this experiment nor thank me for my link cause you dont like physics its just your job and youre not here to learn youre here to argue i can grant you myself as soon i as i have eggs ill test So, nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farolero Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 im doing an interesting experiment with that true random number generator the problem is that i have litle acces to that computer while trying to give up smoking i find about a dnagerous oriental breathing technique that gets you high and euphoric i found out doing this breathing technique my heart would stop for five or ten seconds while everything begins to get dark though eventually it goes back to noraml so what im doing now is do this breathing technique to stop my heart depending if the outcome is a zero or one so far ive found a 15% edge on 1024 superpositions tonight ill try to see 4096 -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 not even the intel chips dare to call themselves true random cause theyre not Really? Really?? https://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/intel-digital-random-number-generator-drng-software-implementation-guide a hand coin toss is unpredictable a quantum coin toss is trully random in a hand coin toss in all wordls theres the same outcome given the same factors in a quantum coin toss given the same initial factors in every world theres a different outcome hell even you can reproduce now shroedinger thought experiment with that quantum computer and an egg but of course you wont do this experiment nor thank me for my link cause you dont like physics its just your job and youre not here to learn youre here to argue i can grant you myself as soon i as i have eggs ill test So no support for your claim that quantum computers can better generate true random numbers? Just random waffle. im doing an interesting experiment with that true random number generator the problem is that i have litle acces to that computer while trying to give up smoking i find about a dnagerous oriental breathing technique that gets you high and euphoric i found out doing this breathing technique my heart would stop for five or ten seconds while everything begins to get dark though eventually it goes back to noraml so what im doing now is do this breathing technique to stop my heart depending if the outcome is a zero or one so far ive found a 15% edge on 1024 superpositions tonight ill try to see 4096 How about you stop posting idiotic drivel and answer the question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farolero Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 sorry but im not here to argue i just did the experiment here the results: first i said to myself ill run 4096 superpositions of 1 and zero and for every one hundred superpositions in whcih zero turns out ill stop my heart with the breathing technique one time the zero appeared with a 2.8% edge which meant 21 breaths next i said to myself well for every edge of the zero of 0.1% ill stop my heart one time in 8192 superposed worlds zero appear with a 4.2% edge that was meant getting euphoric breathing 42 times think the edge with a single deck blackjack game is 0.3% so if im right i can get rich just breathing shame i run of credits to run that computer -2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 sorry but im not here to argue But just to make unsubstantiated claims? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farolero Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) im exposings facts i did not claim anything but factual results if you want you can test yourself i can pm the breath technique i develop it myself to find out it has oriental origin related to chi force i named it the atheist nightmare caus eit gets you stoned drug free naturally, also it stops your heart 5 or ten seconds from there the high, your body thinks he is gonna die and chills you down for that moment Edited January 17, 2017 by farolero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 im exposings facts i did not claim anything Apart from: 1. random.org does not generate true random numbers (they do) 2. Intel does not have a True Random Number Generator (they do) 3. Quantum computers can generate true random numbers (still waiting for an explanation of this) Instead of providing support for your claims, or admitting you were wrong, you have gone off on some stoner fantasy. Grow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imatfaal Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 ! Moderator Note Farolero Nonsense post hidden - please do not respond to this moderation. Please stay on topic All members - please resist the temptation to enter into an offtopic discussion when a thread is hijacked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farolero Posted January 18, 2017 Author Share Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) you may consider my consideration nonsense but you wouldnt even try, your imagination has been killed by this society but the guys at ibm just gave me unlimited acces to theyr computer: so far i did 4 google accounts to test the true random number generator and for every account i just could use it 3 times but in the four time i filled the questionary and put titel to my experiments: lightning a light for every 0.1% edge clapping hands 3 times for every 0.1% edge clapping hands 2 times for every 0.1% edge so far i tested a 5,2% edge on 8194 iterations bly clapping hands two times incidentally i wonder if starnge could be right and a computer based on the pc clock could be random since a human has a quamtum computer brain and hence the instant of the clock will be trully random so i got a no deposit bonus at a online casino and now i clap hands every time i win at slots synchronical the girl in the slot animation claps hands for every win if you delete this youre supressing scientific evidence that anyone can try at this stage of humanity Edited January 18, 2017 by farolero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 lightning a light for every 0.1% edge clapping hands 3 times for every 0.1% edge clapping hands 2 times for every 0.1% edge so far i tested a 5,2% edge on 8194 iterations bly clapping hands two times I haven no idea what that means. And you still haven't explained why you think a quantum computer will be more able to generate true random numbers. Can you do that now? Or are you too stoned? incidentally i wonder if starnge could be right and a computer based on the pc clock could be random since a human has a quamtum computer brain and hence the instant of the clock will be trully random There is no evidence that the human brain is a quantum computer. And why would that affect the behaviour of a PC anyway? But if it has an appropriate Intel chip then it can generate true random numbers (despite your denials that this is possible). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farolero Posted January 18, 2017 Author Share Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) il explain it again: imagine there are two paralele world and in both you make a coin toss by hand or by a quantum effect the hand toss will have identical outcome in both worlds given identical impulse and angle the quantum coin toss will have different outcome in both worlds Edited January 18, 2017 by farolero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 il explain it again: imagine there are two paralele world and in both you make a coin toss by hand or by a quantum effect the hand toss will have identical outcome in both worlds given identical impulse and angle the quantum coin toss will have different outcome in both worlds What is a quantum coin toss? What does this have to do with quantum computing? (Apart from both having the word "quantum" in.) This is the bit I am really trying to understand, and you keep going off at bizarre tangents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farolero Posted January 18, 2017 Author Share Posted January 18, 2017 a quantum coin toss is to generate a random number by a quantum effect how is it done i have no clue quantum computers are able to generate random numbers by a quantum effect intel chips are not able to generate a random number by a quantum effect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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