you can use a five bit real quantum computer now for free

[farolero]

http://www.research.ibm.com/quantum/

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[swansont]

We had a colloquium last week on quantum information, by Bill Phillips (Nobel 1997) NIST/JQI, and he mentioned this. And pointed out that the results from this are easily achieved on any regular computer.

[imatfaal]

I wonder how many bits you need to implement Shor's Algorithm?

 

Actually just checked and you can implement upto an input of 15 with 5 qubits! Fast factorisation - admittedly of number we can already do in our heads...

[farolero]

i thought it would interest you how else could you use a true random number generator?

[Strange]

how else could you use a true random number generator?

 

 

https://www.random.org

"RANDOM.ORG offers true random numbers to anyone on the Internet. The randomness comes from atmospheric noise, which for many purposes is better than the pseudo-random number algorithms typically used in computer programs. People use RANDOM.ORG for holding drawings, lotteries and sweepstakes, to drive online games, for scientific applications and for art and music."

Edited January 16, 2017 by Strange

[farolero]

thanks for the link, i was aware of that site but thats not trully random but just to difficult to predict as a coint toss which is neither random

 

with that quantum computer you could for example check princeton studies on how global events like 911 or lady di death affected chance on TRUE quantum random number generators

 

for example you could do this experiment there you couldnt do with your site

 

you generate a true random number and if it turns one you kill an egg

 

who knows maybe the universe abhorres a meaningless destruction of abeing

[Strange]

thanks for the link, i was aware of that site but thats not trully random but just to difficult to predict as a coint toss which is neither random

 

 

Why is not truly random? Why do they say it is, if it isn't?

It certainly seems to be: https://www.random.org/analysis/

 

And why do you think a quantum computer is better able to produce random numbers?

 

Intel processors already include a true random number generator: http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/hardware/behind-intels-new-randomnumber-generator/0

[farolero]

youre confusing randomness with unpredictability and theyre not the same thing:

 

the statistical analisis of random org could be applied to a coin toss and i think we can agree a coin toss is not random but too complex to be predicted but if you knew all factors with detail you could predict the outcome

 

its the same for intel chips, theyre too complex to be predicted but not true random in order to avoid hacking

 

those random number generators are just as random as the decimals of square root of two

 

apparently random if you dont know the key but not quite

[Strange]

its the same for intel chips, theyre too complex to be predicted but not true random in order to avoid hacking

 

 

I assume you didn't read the article then.

 

 

 

And why do you think a quantum computer is better able to produce random numbers?

 

Can you provide a reference to support this claim? Because it is not something I have heard of.

 

How about the UK's "ERNIE", which uses thermal noise. Do you claim that is not truly random as well?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premium_Bond#ERNIE

[dimreepr]

youre confusing randomness with unpredictability and theyre not the same thing:

 

the statistical analisis of random org could be applied to a coin toss and i think we can agree a coin toss is not random but too complex to be predicted but if you knew all factors with detail you could predict the outcome

 

its the same for intel chips, theyre too complex to be predicted but not true random in order to avoid hacking

 

those random number generators are just as random as the decimals of square root of two

 

apparently random if you dont know the key but not quite

 

 

What's the difference between a random number and a number that's too complex to predict?

Edited January 17, 2017 by dimreepr

[farolero]

not even the intel chips dare to call themselves true random cause theyre not

 

a hand coin toss is unpredictable a quantum coin toss is trully random

 

in a hand coin toss in all wordls theres the same outcome given the same factors

 

in a quantum coin toss given the same initial factors in every world theres a different outcome

 

hell even you can reproduce now shroedinger thought experiment with that quantum computer and an egg

 

but of course you wont do this experiment nor thank me for my link cause you dont like physics its just your job and youre not here to learn youre here to argue

 

i can grant you myself as soon i as i have eggs ill test

[dimreepr]

not even the intel chips dare to call themselves true random cause theyre not

 

a hand coin toss is unpredictable a quantum coin toss is trully random

 

in a hand coin toss in all wordls theres the same outcome given the same factors

 

in a quantum coin toss given the same initial factors in every world theres a different outcome

 

hell even you can reproduce now shroedinger thought experiment with that quantum computer and an egg

 

but of course you wont do this experiment nor thank me for my link cause you dont like physics its just your job and youre not here to learn youre here to argue

 

i can grant you myself as soon i as i have eggs ill test

 

 

So, nothing.

[farolero]

im doing an interesting experiment with that true random number generator the problem is that i have litle acces to that computer

 

while trying to give up smoking i find about a dnagerous oriental breathing technique that gets you high and euphoric

 

i found out doing this breathing technique my heart would stop for five or ten seconds while everything begins to get dark though eventually it goes back to noraml

 

so what im doing now is do this breathing technique to stop my heart depending if the outcome is a zero or one

 

so far ive found a 15% edge on 1024 superpositions

 

tonight ill try to see 4096

[Strange]

not even the intel chips dare to call themselves true random cause theyre not

 

 

 

 

Really? Really??

https://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/intel-digital-random-number-generator-drng-software-implementation-guide

 

 

a hand coin toss is unpredictable a quantum coin toss is trully random

in a hand coin toss in all wordls theres the same outcome given the same factors

in a quantum coin toss given the same initial factors in every world theres a different outcome

hell even you can reproduce now shroedinger thought experiment with that quantum computer and an egg

but of course you wont do this experiment nor thank me for my link cause you dont like physics its just your job and youre not here to learn youre here to argue

i can grant you myself as soon i as i have eggs ill test

 

So no support for your claim that quantum computers can better generate true random numbers? Just random waffle.

im doing an interesting experiment with that true random number generator the problem is that i have litle acces to that computer

 

while trying to give up smoking i find about a dnagerous oriental breathing technique that gets you high and euphoric

 

i found out doing this breathing technique my heart would stop for five or ten seconds while everything begins to get dark though eventually it goes back to noraml

 

so what im doing now is do this breathing technique to stop my heart depending if the outcome is a zero or one

 

so far ive found a 15% edge on 1024 superpositions

 

tonight ill try to see 4096

 

How about you stop posting idiotic drivel and answer the question?

[farolero]

sorry but im not here to argue

 

i just did the experiment here the results:

 

first i said to myself ill run 4096 superpositions of 1 and zero and for every one hundred superpositions in whcih zero turns out ill stop my heart with the breathing technique one time

 

the zero appeared with a 2.8% edge which meant 21 breaths

 

next i said to myself well for every edge of the zero of 0.1% ill stop my heart one time

 

in 8192 superposed worlds zero appear with a 4.2% edge

 

that was meant getting euphoric breathing 42 times

 

think the edge with a single deck blackjack game is 0.3% so if im right i can get rich just breathing

 

shame i run of credits to run that computer

[Strange]

sorry but im not here to argue

 

 

But just to make unsubstantiated claims?

[farolero]

im exposings facts i did not claim anything but factual results if you want you can test yourself i can pm the breath technique

 

i develop it myself to find out it has oriental origin related to chi force

 

i named it the atheist nightmare caus eit gets you stoned drug free naturally, also it stops your heart 5 or ten seconds from there the high, your body thinks he is gonna die and chills you down for that moment

Edited January 17, 2017 by farolero

[Strange]

im exposings facts i did not claim anything

 

 

Apart from:

 

1. random.org does not generate true random numbers (they do)

2. Intel does not have a True Random Number Generator (they do)

3. Quantum computers can generate true random numbers (still waiting for an explanation of this)

 

Instead of providing support for your claims, or admitting you were wrong, you have gone off on some stoner fantasy. Grow up.

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[farolero]

you may consider my consideration nonsense but you wouldnt even try, your imagination has been killed by this society

 

but the guys at ibm just gave me unlimited acces to theyr computer:

 

so far i did 4 google accounts to test the true random number generator and for every account i just could use it 3 times

 

but in the four time i filled the questionary and put titel to my experiments:

 

lightning a light for every 0.1% edge

 

clapping hands 3 times for every 0.1% edge

 

clapping hands 2 times for every 0.1% edge

 

so far i tested a 5,2% edge on 8194 iterations bly clapping hands two times

 

incidentally i wonder if starnge could be right and a computer based on the pc clock could be random since a human has a quamtum computer brain and hence the instant of the clock will be trully random

 

so i got a no deposit bonus at a online casino and now i clap hands every time i win at slots

 

synchronical the girl in the slot animation claps hands for every win

 

if you delete this youre supressing scientific evidence that anyone can try at this stage of humanity

Edited January 18, 2017 by farolero

[Strange]

lightning a light for every 0.1% edge

 

clapping hands 3 times for every 0.1% edge

 

clapping hands 2 times for every 0.1% edge

 

so far i tested a 5,2% edge on 8194 iterations bly clapping hands two times

 

 

I haven no idea what that means.

 

And you still haven't explained why you think a quantum computer will be more able to generate true random numbers. Can you do that now? Or are you too stoned?

 

 

 

incidentally i wonder if starnge could be right and a computer based on the pc clock could be random since a human has a quamtum computer brain and hence the instant of the clock will be trully random

 

There is no evidence that the human brain is a quantum computer. And why would that affect the behaviour of a PC anyway?

 

But if it has an appropriate Intel chip then it can generate true random numbers (despite your denials that this is possible).

[farolero]

il explain it again:

 

imagine there are two paralele world and in both you make a coin toss by hand or by a quantum effect

 

the hand toss will have identical outcome in both worlds given identical impulse and angle

 

the quantum coin toss will have different outcome in both worlds

Edited January 18, 2017 by farolero

[Strange]

il explain it again:

 

imagine there are two paralele world and in both you make a coin toss by hand or by a quantum effect

 

the hand toss will have identical outcome in both worlds given identical impulse and angle

 

the quantum coin toss will have different outcome in both worlds

 

 

What is a quantum coin toss?

 

What does this have to do with quantum computing? (Apart from both having the word "quantum" in.)

This is the bit I am really trying to understand, and you keep going off at bizarre tangents.

[farolero]

a quantum coin toss is to generate a random number by a quantum effect

 

how is it done i have no clue

 

quantum computers are able to generate random numbers by a quantum effect intel chips are not able to generate a random number by a quantum effect