Vortices from earth rotation (split from Tides)

[Fermer05]

The ebb and flow - the result of the Earth's rotation and whirlpools.

The discovery published in the Russian-German scientific journal "Eastern European Scientific Journal" №3. 2015. Positive review was obtained from the Institute of Geography, Russian Academy of Sciences..

The waters of lakes, seas and oceans of the Northern Hemisphere rotate counter-clockwise, and the waters of the Southern Hemisphere, rotate clockwise, forming giant vortices ..

It is known, what everything that rotates , including swirls have the property of retaining the gyroscope axis upright in space regardless of the Earth's rotation..

If you look at the Earth from the Sun, whirlpools spinning with the earth overturned, twice a day, making whirlpools precess and reflect on my own tidal wave around the perimeter of the sea..

The waters of the Gulf Maine waters are rotate counter clockwise to form a huge whirlpool, a gyroscope, which reflects the precessing tidal wave around the perimeter of the Gulf of Maine.
A similar scheme tides observed in all lakes, seas and oceans.

[swansont]

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[Fermer05]

On 22.1.2017 at 1:20 PM, Fermer05 said:

The tides are the result of the rotation of the Earth and the whirlpools.

There is a strict pattern; tides are formed, not across the coast of the seas and oceans, but only on those coasts where the high angular velocity of the currents. And the higher the velocity of currents, the higher the amplitude of the tidal wave. On the rectilinear coasts, where the currents do not have angular velocity, tides and ebbs do not form.

The waters of lakes, seas and oceans of the northern hemisphere rotate counterclockwise, while the waters of the southern hemisphere rotate clockwise, forming giant whirlpools.

As is known, everything that rotates, including whirlpools, has the property of a gyro (yule) to maintain the vertical position of the axis in space, regardless of the rotation of the Earth.

If you look at the Earth from the side of the Sun, the whirlpools, spinning with the Earth, capsize twice a day, thanks to which the whirlpools precess (swing by 1-2 degrees) and reflect the tidal wave around the perimeter of the whirlpool. http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9804/7837959.21/0_f6015_1eb816e5_orig

The waters of the White Sea rotate counter-clockwise, forming a huge whirlpool-gyroscope, which, precessing, reflects a tidal wave along the entire perimeter of the White Sea.
A similar pattern of tides and ebbs is observed in all lakes, seas and oceans.
http://tapemark.narod.ru/more/22.png

The waters of the Mediterranean Sea rotate counter-clockwise, forming tides, 10-15 cm high. But in Gabes Bay, "what?" Off the coast of Tunisia, the height of the tides reaches three meters, and sometimes more, and this is considered one of the mysteries of nature. But at the same time, in the Bay of Gabes the whirlpool turns, precessing the reflecting additional tidal wave ?.
A tidal wave in the Amazon River creates a huge planetary maelstrom a few thousand kilometers in diameter, rotating between South America and North Africa, embracing the mouth of the Amazon River.
The scheme of motion of a tidal wave, along the perimeter of the North Atlantic planetary maelstrom. https://youtu.be/ZEhm_ONTQKc

The length of the tidal wave depends on the diameter of the whirlpool. And the height of the tidal wave depends on the speed of rotation of the whirlpool of the orbital velocity of the Earth, and the time of the tilting of the whirlpool (12 hours).
A = V1 • V2 / t
where: A is the amplitude of the tidal wave (precession angle).
V1 - rotation speed of the whirlpool.
V2 is the orbital velocity of the Earth.
t - the time of tilting of the whirlpool (12 hours).

The vortex theory of tides can be easily verified from the connection of the height of the tidal wave with the rotation speed of the whirlpools. The height of the tidal wave can determine the location of the whirlpools. Drawing on a map of the depths and currents of the seas and oceans.
Continuation: Forum Faculty of Geography.
http://www.spbgu.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=53992
The opening was published in the Russian-German scientific peer-reviewed journal "Eastern European Scientific Journal" No. 3/2015. 64. June
http://www.auris-archiv.de/journal.html A positive review was also received from the Institute of Geography of the Russian Academy of Sciences. 

According to the lunar theory of tides, the Earth's crust at the latitude of Washington, with a frequency of two times a day, rises with an amplitude of about 20 cm, at the equator, the range exceeds half a meter.
Then why, the highest tides are formed in the temperate zones and not at the equator?
The highest tides on Earth are formed in the Fandi Bay in North America - 18 m, at the mouth of the Severn River in England - 16 m, in the Bay of Mont-Saint-Michel in France - 15 m, in the mouths of the Sea of Okhotsk, Penzhinskaya and Gizhiginskaya - 13 m , at the cape Nerpinsky in the Mezensky Bay - 11 m.
The swirling theory of tides explains this inconsistency by the absence of whirlpools at the equator, as well as cyclones and anticyclones.
To form whirlpools, cyclones and anticyclones, the deflecting force of Coriolis is needed. At the equator, the Coriolis force is minimal and in the temperate zones, it is maximal.

 

Tides and ebbs are formed not along the entire coast and the oceans, but only in those coasts where the high angular velocity of the currents (1-5 km / h).
On the rectilinear coasts, where currents do not have angular velocity, tides and ebbs do not form.

With an increase in the angular velocity of the current in the north of the Sea of Okhotsk, the height of the tides in the Penzhina Bay increases to 12 meters.
http://tapemark.narod.ru/more/41.png
With an increase in the angular velocity of the current in the north of the Gulf of Maine, the height of the tides in the Bay of Fundy rises to 18 meters.
http://www.gulfofmaine-census.org/wp-content/images/circulation/fig4.jpg
"Record high tide in the Bay of Fundy - 21.6 meters - occurred only once in the history of observations, on the night of October 4 to October 5 in 1869 under the influence of the cyclone Saxby Gale" ..

On the night of October 4 to 5, in 1869, under the influence of the cyclone Saxby Gale, "a record rainfall fell over the river basins flowing into the Bay of Fundy (300 mm in one day), so that the waters of the Bay of Fundy poured into the Gulf of Maine and increased the speed of rotation a whirlpool in the Gulf of Maine.
http://www.gulfofmaine.org/ebm/toolkitsurvey/images/exec-sum-2.jpg
Cyclone Saxby Gale rotating counter-clockwise, also contributed to the unraveling of the whirlpool.
In an abnormally cold winter and during a drought, when rivers flowing into the Bay of Fundy merge, the height of the tides does not exceed 1 meter.
https://www.tide-forecast.com/locations/Fundy-Offshore-1-Nova-Scotia/tides/latest

[Strange]

3 hours ago, Fermer05 said:

According to the lunar theory of tides, the Earth's crust at the latitude of Washington, with a frequency of two times a day, rises with an amplitude of about 20 cm, at the equator, the range exceeds half a meter.
Then why, the highest tides are formed in the temperate zones and not at the equator?
The highest tides on Earth are formed in the Fandi Bay in North America - 18 m, at the mouth of the Severn River in England - 16 m, in the Bay of Mont-Saint-Michel in France - 15 m, in the mouths of the Sea of Okhotsk, Penzhinskaya and Gizhiginskaya - 13 m , at the cape Nerpinsky in the Mezensky Bay - 11 m.
The swirling theory of tides explains this inconsistency by the absence of whirlpools at the equator, as well as cyclones and anticyclones.

I am just going to copy the answer to this from another forum:

All of those examples are due to the shape of the bays and seabed. Something that is obvious if you look at locations near those measuring points:
- Edgartown, near the Bay of Fundy (tidal range about 1m)
- Cherbourg (5m) near Mont St Michael
- Swansea further out on the Bristol Channel (8m)
- Bukhta Podkagernaya (7m) in the Sea of Okhotsk
- Arkhangel'sk (1m) near Mezensky Bay.

NOAA address your claim about tidal ranges in their FAQ with a couple of counter-examples - https://www.co-ops.nos.noaa.gov/faq2.html#27

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Q: It appears that the range of the tides gets larger the further the location from the equator. What causes this?

If you only consider a few locations, this may seem to be true; but it is not the case. Literally hundreds of locations in the extreme north and south latitudes have small tidal ranges, and a number of stations closer to the equator have large tidal ranges.

 

[beecee]

On 1/22/2017 at 9:20 PM, Fermer05 said:

The ebb and flow - the result of the Earth's rotation and whirlpools.

Umm, no. The tides are simply a result of the gravitational attractions of the Moon and Sun.

The actual effect is called tidal gravitation, and also explains why the Moon is very slowly [a couple of centimetres a year] moving away from Earth, and why the earth's rotational period is gradually slowing down and seeing the length of a day increasing very slightly. 

[Strange]

If tides were not caused by gravity, then one would have to explain how all of Newtonian Gravity and GR are wrong and yet still seem to work.

[studiot]

I'm quite sure the " Institute of Geography of the Russian Academy of Sciences.  " can do much better than this.

 

I'm also sure it can get its terminology correct.

Russia is, after all, one of the two nations on Earth that attempts to produce charts of the entire World Ocean.

 

So Terminology.

 

You need to distinguish between

'currents', which always flow one way and are part of the basic thermally driven movement of water in the world ocean.

and

'tidal streams' which are the horizontal movements of water due to tidal action. Unlike currents, tidal streams reverse once or twice a day.

 

Are 'Tidal waves' proper terminology?
Do you mean a Tsunami, born of tectonic activity or a hydraulic jump like the Severn Bore, born of rapidly changing bottom gradient?

 

[Fermer05]

The vortex theory of tides can be easily verified by the connection between the height of the tidal wave and the rotation speed of the whirlpools.

The list of seas with an average swirl speed of more than 0.5 km / h, and an average tidal wave height of more than 5 cm:
Irish Sea, North Sea, Barents Sea, Baffin Sea, White Sea, Bering Sea, Sea of Okhotsk, Arabian Sea, Sargasso Sea, Hudson Bay, Maine Bay, Gulf of Alaska. and so on.
The list of seas with an average swirl speed of less than 0.5 km / h, and an average tidal wave height of less than 5 cm:
The Baltic Sea, the Greenland Sea, the Black Sea, the Sea of Azov, the Caspian Sea, the Chukchi Sea, the Kara Sea, the Laptev Sea, the Red Sea, the Marmara Sea, the Caribbean Sea, the Sea of Japan, the Gulf of Mexico, etc.
Note: The height of the tidal wave (soliton) and the amplitude of the tides is not the same.

[studiot]

You made claims fundamentally opposed to conventional thinking about tides.

Please respond to my comments as required by the rules of this forum instead of listing the names of some water bodies in the northern hemisphere.

 

I would agree that mathematically a tidal wave is also called a soliton, but as I pointed out there is more than one mechanism of generation for these in hydraulic bodies.

[beecee]

9 hours ago, Fermer05 said:

The vortex theory of tides can be easily verified by the connection between the height of the tidal wave and the rotation speed of the whirlpools.

And the current conventional thinking with regards to tides has also been verified many times, and also explains why the Moon is moving away from the Earth and the Earth is slowing in its rotational rate.

[Fermer05]

Follow the link, there are answers to all the questions, find the error, I will be very grateful if you put me on the right path. I do not want to waste my time on delusions. 
http://www.spbgu.ru/forums/index.php?s=7508ff0db43c4d8fd53c510b9451235a&showtopic=53992

[beecee]

17 hours ago, Fermer05 said:

Follow the link, there are answers to all the questions, find the error, I will be very grateful if you put me on the right path. I do not want to waste my time on delusions. 
http://www.spbgu.ru/forums/index.php?s=7508ff0db43c4d8fd53c510b9451235a&showtopic=53992

Your link is in Russian. Sorry, I'm not able to read Russian. And of course you have been put on the right path, a path that has been tried and tested over centuries and stands as solid as any scientific model would wish.

 

[Fermer05]

04.04.2018 в 18:51, студент сказал:

Вы делали претензии, которые в корне противоречили традиционному мышлению о приливах. .

If, the tidal hump on Earth was created by the Moon - that would not be an ellipse but a "drop". (The force of gravity is added, not compensated).
What prevents a drop of water hanging on an apple, create two tidal hump?

[Fermer05]

Why is not tidal current used to move ships from east to west.

[Strange]

On 19/04/2018 at 6:25 AM, Fermer05 said:

If, the tidal hump on Earth was created by the Moon - that would not be an ellipse

Nonsense. 

Unless you are claiming that gravity doesn’t work as we think. But there is no evidence for that. 

2 hours ago, Fermer05 said:

Why is not tidal current used to move ships from east to west.

Most currents aren't the same as shipping routes. (Many of them concentrate material in some central point in the ocean, like those masses of plastic and rubbish we have heard so much about recently.)

But they don't have a very great effect on things floating on the surface. So it would be too slow and unpredictable. As far as I know, they only have a minor effect on fuel efficiency and so are usually ignored when planning shipping routes.

 

[Fermer05]

The moon's gravity does not reach the ground:
If the tidal forces existed, then the pressure of water and air would certainly react, especially during the parade of the planets.
Tidal forces are now successfully used, as a plug from many secrets of nature.
In fact, they exist only theoretically, but practically, they have not been fixed by any gravimetric device.
Acceleration of free fall at the equator is less than at the poles: at the equator is 978 gal, and at the poles - 983 gal.
There is no data on the fluctuation of tidal forces, if there were fluctuations, then there would be data.

 

 

[Strange]

4 minutes ago, Fermer05 said:

The moon's gravity does not reach the ground:

So you are rejecting all theories of gravity from Newton onwards. I will suggest the mods move this thread to the appropriate place.

Where does it stop? And where does Earth's gravity stop? Where does the Sun's gravity stop?

7 minutes ago, Fermer05 said:

Tidal forces are now successfully used, as a plug from many secrets of nature.

"Secrets of nature"? Of course.

7 minutes ago, Fermer05 said:

There is no data on the fluctuation of tidal forces, if there were fluctuations, then there would be data.

A search for "fluctuation of tidal forces" on Google produces  half a million results, 45,000 results  on Google Scholar and several hundred on Arxiv.

So it would appear you are wrong about this as well.

[Phi for All]

On 4/4/2018 at 11:56 PM, Fermer05 said:

Follow the link, there are answers to all the questions, find the error, I will be very grateful if you put me on the right path. I do not want to waste my time on delusions. 

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This is unacceptable soapboxing if you don't answer the questions people are asking you. Pointing people at a link is not the same as responding to specific requests for clarity. Please go back through the thread and answer these requests. You are wasting everyone else's time by not supporting your assertions. 

 

[Ken Fabian]

The highest tides reliably occur at New Moon and Full Moon - I can't see how vortices from ocean gyres (that have nothing to do with lunar and solar gravitational pull) can so closely align with lunar and solar gravitational pull. Fermer, the current understanding of how tides work provides consistent predictability; how they work is not a mystery that needs an alternative explanation.

[swansont]

On 4/24/2018 at 6:21 AM, Fermer05 said:

The moon's gravity does not reach the ground:

What?

Then why does the moon orbit the earth? Why do pendulum clocks (on the ground) vary in their period consistent with the gravitational effect of the moon?

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 Acceleration of free fall at the equator is less than at the poles: at the equator is 978 gal, and at the poles - 983 gal.

 

Is that the net acceleration, or is that gravity? Is this not accounted for by the earth's rotation?

[studiot]

8 hours ago, Ken Fabian said:

The highest tides reliably occur at New Moon and Full Moon - I can't see how vortices from ocean gyres (that have nothing to do with lunar and solar gravitational pull) can so closely align with lunar and solar gravitational pull. Fermer, the current understanding of how tides work provides consistent predictability; how they work is not a mystery that needs an alternative explanation.

Coriolis only affects horizontal motion, it does not affect vertical motion.

Tides are a vertical movement of water so are unaffected directly.

However in order for the water surface to rise and fall, water must advect in and out horizontally.

These tidals streams are affected by Coriolis, though to a lesser amount than ocean currents.

This is because the biggest effects are close-to-shore effects.

In the open ocean the tidal rise and fall is small as are the oceanic tidals streams. Here the local flow is small but spread over such a vast area that the volume is substantial.

Close-to shore effect demonstate resonance and/or forced oscillation effects such as the amphidromic points in the North Sea.
The size and timing of the vertical water movements and the direction of the horizontal ones are strongly influenced by the topography.

[WheelBarrow]

The area on the topic of the discussion is where the labrador current meets the gulf stream.

This is or can be caused by atlantic thermohaline circulation.

[J.C.MacSwell]

On 4/3/2018 at 5:36 PM, studiot said:

 

So Terminology.

 

You need to distinguish between

'currents', which always flow one way and are part of the basic thermally driven movement of water in the world ocean.

and

'tidal streams' which are the horizontal movements of water due to tidal action. Unlike currents, tidal streams reverse once or twice a day.

 

Both are not currents? Where did you get this from?

I would think tidal streams are a subset of currents.

Edited April 29, 2018 by J.C.MacSwell

[studiot]

5 hours ago, J.C.MacSwell said:

Both are not currents? Where did you get this from?

I would think tidal streams are a subset of currents.

You will be telling me that there  are both direct and alternating ocean currents next.

 

If you look on an Admiralty chart you will find the tidal streams marked.

 

Tidals treams are the correct hydrographic term for the horizontal ( component of the) movement of water as a result of tidal action.

 

Currents would exist, even if you took away the Moon and thus the tides and even if you took away the Earth's rotation.

In fact that is a good place to start considering the movement of terrestrial waters.

[J.C.MacSwell]

3 hours ago, studiot said:

You will be telling me that there  are both direct and alternating ocean currents next.

 

If you look on an Admiralty chart you will find the tidal streams marked.

 

Tidals treams are the correct hydrographic term for the horizontal ( component of the) movement of water as a result of tidal action.

 

Currents would exist, even if you took away the Moon and thus the tides and even if you took away the Earth's rotation.

In fact that is a good place to start considering the movement of terrestrial waters.

I would be telling you I have never heard of the term current excluded due to lack of permanence of any kind.

Tidal currents, wind blown currents, etc. Are these not common terms?

I have studied currents, for years racing sailboats, including internationally, and live near the Bay of Fundy. I have never heard of "currents" being restricted as you are suggesting.

Tidal stream

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

 

A tidal stream can refer to two different phenomena:

• in marine science it refers to the currents associated with the tides, generally near a coastline or harbor

Edited April 30, 2018 by J.C.MacSwell