Randolpin Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 As a Christian, I want to ask those who don't believe in God, why they don't believe, what encourages or pushes them to not believe? What is the exact reason why they don;t believe? Are their reasons completely enough to firmly hold their positions? Before holding their position, did they think first? Did they balance things first? Are they able to check their own selves or hear their own inner selves before deciding to hold their postions? I am curious about this.... Feedbacks are very much appreciated. Thank You... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Why should I believe? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sriman Dutta Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Suppose you believe in god. Do you have any evidence to show His presence? By evidence I mean scientific evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randolpin Posted January 30, 2017 Author Share Posted January 30, 2017 Why should I believe? This answer is a escaping answer. What is the reason, why you should not believe? Suppose you believe in god. Do you have any evidence to show His presence? By evidence I mean scientific evidence. The evidence so far is the beginning of the universe where the pre-bigbang moment is a complete nothingness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 I believe the bible is trying to teach contentment and that god is a teaching aid, and a comfort for those who can't find peace; when one is content/peaceful god is no longer required; that's why I don't believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phi for All Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 This answer is a escaping answer. What is the reason, why you should not believe? No evidence. Not a shred that suggests a supernatural explanation is needed, ever. That, and the fact that over 9000 versions of Christianity alone exist, each claiming to be true. That kind of con game is easily recognized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randolpin Posted January 30, 2017 Author Share Posted January 30, 2017 If you believe there's nothing to lost instead there is something added to your life. As I study science, I don't see science contradicted the existence of God, instead it shouts out that there is a God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 If you believe there's nothing to lost instead there is something added to your life. As I study science, I don't see science contradicted the existence of God, instead it shouts out that there is a God. Is this directed at me or Phi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phi for All Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 If you believe there's nothing to lost instead there is something added to your life. As I study science, I don't see science contradicted the existence of God, instead it shouts out that there is a God. Science doesn't contradict the existence of your god because it's unobservable. That precludes science from being a tool that can help in these instances. Can you understand that? Science needs to deal with reality or it's not effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randolpin Posted January 30, 2017 Author Share Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) Probe your own body thru a microscope and you will see cells with complexities. Little machineries which defies evolution. As well in the universe. Infinitude of stars you will see at night, where you could probably wonder what is the source of their unfaltering energy. Edited January 30, 2017 by Randolpin -3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prometheus Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) Napoleon: M. Laplace, they tell me you have written this large book on the system of the universe, and have never even mentioned its Creator.' Laplace: I had no need for that hypothesis Edited January 30, 2017 by Prometheus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phi for All Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Little machineries which defies evolution. Enjoy your alternative facts. Thanks for the chat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zapatos Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Little machineries which defies evolution.No, it doesn't defy evolution. Infinitude of stars you will see at night, where you could probably wonder what is the source of their unfaltering energy.No, we have a good understanding of the source of the energy. The evidence so far is the beginning of the universe where the pre-bigbang moment is a complete nothingnessWe seem to have a pattern here. Perhaps you need to study science a bit more. It might help you better understand why many atheists here take the position they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randolpin Posted January 30, 2017 Author Share Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) Many revised theories had been proposed in the pre-bigbang moment, Vilenkin's model have flaws and other competing models. For example the multiverse theory of Alan Guth. The problem of this theory is where is the source of the energy fueling the multiverse came from? And if it is only from nothingness, how come nothingness produce something? Edited January 30, 2017 by Randolpin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 This answer is a escaping answer. What is the reason, why you should not believe? Why should belief be the default? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ten oz Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 This answer is a escaping answer. What is the reason, why you should not believe? There is nothing in my life I believe which hasn't been demostrated to be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iNow Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 I don't believe in god(s) for the same reason I don't believe in the tooth fairy or in santa claus. There's really no simpler way for me to explain it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randolpin Posted January 30, 2017 Author Share Posted January 30, 2017 Why should belief be the default? I'm asking you what is the reason it is not the default? I don't believe in god(s) for the same reason I don't believe in the tooth fairy or in santa claus. There's really no simpler way for me to explain it. Do you ever listen to your own self when you are alone and solitary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zapatos Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 The problem of this theory is where is the source of the energy fueling the multiverse came from?I don't know. And if it is only from nothingness, how come nothingness produce something?I don't know. And neither do you. We can only guess. But... You seem to be implying that our lack of knowledge must be filled by God. No different than when we didn't understand how lightening worked we also assumed it must be from Thor. This is one of the reasons I am an atheist. You are jumping to the exact same conclusions that people have made for thousands of years, and like them, you believe that THIS TIME you got it right. I have yet to see any compelling reason to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randolpin Posted January 30, 2017 Author Share Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) Some people did not believe because they did not see. Are their really sure what they can't see really don't exist? Consider for example radio waves. You can't see but you know it exist. Edited January 30, 2017 by Randolpin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 I'm asking you what is the reason it is not the default? Because there is no reason that it should be. And you haven't provided one, so that hasn't changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iNow Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Do you ever listen to your own self when you are alone and solitary?Of course, and rather frequently, but I'm also intelligent enough to know that there is almost certainly no actual "god" there in that space. It's basically me talking to myself, much like you and other theists are when you "think" you're talking to "god(s)." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ten oz Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Many revised theories had been proposed in the pre-bigbang moment, Vilenkin's model have flaws and other competing models. For example the multiverse theory of Alan Guth. The problem of this theory is where is the source of the energy fueling the multiverse came from? And if it is only from nothingness, how come nothingness produce something? Firstly, evidence against the big bang is not evidence of a Christian God or any God at all. Secondly, I find the "the source of energy" argument against specific theories contradictory to the notion of God because if God exists what is its "source of energy". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iNow Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 I'm asking you what is the reason it is not the default?For the same reason it's not the default position to believe in dragons or invisible unicorns. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ten oz Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) I'm asking you what is the reason it is not the default? By default I don't believe in things that aren't real. Edited January 30, 2017 by Ten oz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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