iNow Posted March 2, 2017 Posted March 2, 2017 AG Jeff Sessions lied repeatedly, including under oath during his confirmation hearing, about contacts with Russia. When Bill Clinton lied to congress they tried to impeach him. Maybe he should resign. At the very least, maybe Sessions shouldn't be in charge of the investigations into the Trump campaign's interactions with Russia? https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/sessions-spoke-twice-with-russian-ambassador-during-trumps-presidential-campaign-justice-officials-say/2017/03/01/77205eda-feac-11e6-99b4-9e613afeb09f_story.html
Ten oz Posted March 2, 2017 Posted March 2, 2017 AG Jeff Sessions lied repeatedly, including under oath during his confirmation hearing, about contacts with Russia. When Bill Clinton lied to congress they tried to impeach him. Maybe he should resign. At the very least, maybe Sessions shouldn't be in charge of the investigations into the Trump campaign's interactions with Russia? https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/sessions-spoke-twice-with-russian-ambassador-during-trumps-presidential-campaign-justice-officials-say/2017/03/01/77205eda-feac-11e6-99b4-9e613afeb09f_story.html He needs to go. The whole point of being put under oath is to ensure one doesn't attempt to mislead. Saying he misspoke or the question wasn't clear enough it pathetic. He is the top lawyer in the nation. He understands what being put under oath means.
iNow Posted March 2, 2017 Posted March 2, 2017 Sessions has officially recused himself from investigations into the Trump campaigns relations with Russia (seriously, why did this take so long??): http://abcn.ws/2m15VFF
swansont Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 Sessions has officially recused himself from investigations into the Trump campaigns relations with Russia (seriously, why did this take so long??): http://abcn.ws/2m15VFF On the small chance this isn't a rhetorical question: it's because this administration is integrity-challenged. He should have recused himself from day 1 — he was involved in the campaign, so he can't be involved in any decisions about investigating it. But as we saw with Flynn, that doesn't matter. It's only after being caught that mitigation is considered. The act itself was not the problem. 2
iNow Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 agreed. every politician spins... this group just flat out lies and it doesn't seem anyone that matters (congress, their voters, even many in the press) cares
Airbrush Posted March 6, 2017 Author Posted March 6, 2017 (edited) If it is proven false, Trump's unsupported claim that somehow Obama tapped Trump's phone without a FISA warrant, would that bring him a little closer to impeachment? Otherwise, Obama would have to go to jail. Either outcome is astonishing, or spectacular! http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-does-not-accept-fbi-denial-over-phone-tap-claims-2017-3 Edited March 6, 2017 by Airbrush
Delta1212 Posted March 6, 2017 Posted March 6, 2017 He wasn't under oath when he tweeted that, so the only semi-plausible legal consequence he could really face for just making it up is probably Obama suing him for libel or defamation, and that's unlikely to happen in any case. So, in other words, no. Nothing is going to come of this.
Airbrush Posted March 7, 2017 Author Posted March 7, 2017 (edited) What about all our pain and suffering because of his irresponsible, strange behavior? Isn't that worth anything? Trump is looking more and more like a loose cannon. What serious lapse from reality will it take to topple the Teflon Don? What is the magnitude of crisis? Edited March 7, 2017 by Airbrush
iNow Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 What about all our pain and suffering because of his irresponsible, strange behavior? Isn't that worth anything? No
zapatos Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 What about all our pain and suffering because of his irresponsible, strange behavior? Isn't that worth anything? Trump is looking more and more like a loose cannon. What serious lapse from reality will it take to topple the Teflon Don? What is the magnitude of crisis? A serious crime.
Airbrush Posted March 7, 2017 Author Posted March 7, 2017 All Bill Clinton did was lie to congress about having sex. However, when congress voted, Clinton was let off the hook. There seem to be parallels between Trump and Nixon. Let's see what happens next.
Ten oz Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 All Bill Clinton did was lie to congress about having sex. However, when congress voted, Clinton was let off the hook. There seem to be parallels between Trump and Nixon. Let's see what happens next. Clinton was fined and disbarred.
Airbrush Posted March 7, 2017 Author Posted March 7, 2017 Yes he was fined and disbarred but not removed from office.
swansont Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 A serious crime. And inaction on the part of the GOP likely to cost them seats in the next election cycle. Clinton was fined and disbarred. Wasn't disbarred. License suspended for 5 years in Arkansas, resigned from the Supreme Court bar (he had never argued a case before them). Would have been disbarred from SCOTUS if he hadn't resigned.
MigL Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 What are the chances that he gets tired of trying to ram through EOs, and up and quits with a bruised ego before his 4 yrs are up ? I really don't think he ever thought he'd get this far. 1
iNow Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 Hard to say. He's not the type that (visibly) resigns from things. More likely is he'll stop performing his essential functions and eventually congress steps in, then he can pick a fight with them to distract from the core issues.
Airbrush Posted March 8, 2017 Author Posted March 8, 2017 (edited) He picks fights with anyone. To wage war on the media itself "enemy of the people" (except Fox News and select few) seems like INSANITY. The media will always have the last word. He will likely have some mental breakdown. When he gets angry his face turns red. The negative feedback loop (Trump outbursts, then media total constant coverage) will intensify until his head explodes like the Martians in "Mars Attacks" when they heard that country music. Edited March 8, 2017 by Airbrush
Ten oz Posted March 8, 2017 Posted March 8, 2017 Trump needs an enemy to attack so he can always be running offense. Without an enemy (media, Intelligence Community, Obama, etc) Trump would have to defend his policies and choices as President. Trump does not defend, he attacks. Unfortunately for everyone living in the U.S. and democracy in general attacking is not a successful way to manage govt which is supposed to be accountable to its citizens.
iNow Posted March 11, 2017 Posted March 11, 2017 (edited) . To the original thread topic: Ben Franklin wondered what would happen if a "president has rendered himself obnoxious." The founders came up with a plan. How to impeach a president http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRtJXnsUYBc Edited March 11, 2017 by iNow 1
Airbrush Posted March 11, 2017 Author Posted March 11, 2017 Definition of "obnoxious" Webster's dictionary: "very unpleasant; offensive; repugnant" Webster's online dictionary: "extremely unpleasant" synonyms: unpleasant · disagreeable · nasty · distasteful · [more] offensive · objectionable · unsavory · unpalatable · off-putting · awful · terrible · dreadful · frightful · revolting · repulsive · repellent · repugnant · disgusting · odious · vile · foul · abhorrent · loathsome · nauseating · sickening · hateful · insufferable · intolerable · detestable · abominable · despicable · contemptible · horrible · horrid · ghastly · gross · putrid · yucky · godawful · beastly · skanky · noisome
Airbrush Posted March 11, 2017 Author Posted March 11, 2017 (edited) Breaking news is that if Trump is right about the "wiretap", then that means there is a FISA warrant for the wiretap, and then for Trump to announce it is obstruction of justice, which is an impeachable offence. Interesting to see what Comey has to say on 20th of March. Edited March 11, 2017 by Airbrush 1
CharonY Posted March 13, 2017 Posted March 13, 2017 I do not know the legality surrounding that but I wonder whether that would actually be the case. E.g. does it require that he abused his power to get the information for it to be illegal? E.g. if he was just guessing or following rumors (but just happens to be right) would that be an offence?
rangerx Posted March 13, 2017 Posted March 13, 2017 Trump claimed Obama wire tapped him. AFAIK, libel, slander or defamation are not high crimes. However, had Trump done that under deposition or proceeded to maliciously prosecute Obama, that would be something yet again.That was the issue with Bill Clinton. Not that he had lurid affairs, but that he lied about them under oath.
Airbrush Posted March 13, 2017 Author Posted March 13, 2017 (edited) Trump claimed Obama wire tapped him. AFAIK, libel, slander or defamation are not high crimes. It is grossly negligent and reckless for Trump to announce a secret FISA wire tap to the world. He should have consulted with his attorneys before his Twitter outburst 8 days ago. A normal president would consult with attorneys before Tweeting something extreme. He is an adult and should have known. He obstructed justice and that is an impeachable offence. If a majority of republicans secretly consider Trump an obnoxious loose cannon, then they are just waiting for a clear technicality for impeachment, which must be done before Trump causes too much trouble. Edited March 13, 2017 by Airbrush
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