Airbrush Posted February 1, 2017 Posted February 1, 2017 What's the probability? What will it take to impeach Trump considering the GOP has control of senate and house and supreme court? Will it take a change in 2 years when there is an election and the Dems have a chance to take control of the house and/or senate? Or could Trump become so obnoxious that even his party turns against him in less than 2 years? It seems like Trump wants to take his office to the unknown in unpopularity. He has such opposition already, what can happen in the next 2 years? I shudder to think.
waitforufo Posted February 1, 2017 Posted February 1, 2017 What's the probability? What will it take to impeach Trump considering the GOP has control of senate and house and supreme court? Will it take a change in 2 years when there is an election and the Dems have a chance to take control of the house and/or senate? Or could Trump become so obnoxious that even his party turns against him in less than 2 years? It seems like Trump wants to take his office to the unknown in unpopularity. He has such opposition already, what can happen in the next 2 years? I shudder to think. I think it will take Trump committing treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors. Popularity has nothing to do with impeachment. Let me stick my neck out and predict that Trump will never be impeached. Not in his first term or his second.
Phi for All Posted February 1, 2017 Posted February 1, 2017 The combination of refusing to release documentation that would allow us to see if he's using political office for personal gain and the reversal of trade agreements/pipeline proposals he and his cronies might benefit from is enough in my mind, but that's from an ethical standpoint. Trump will only be impeached if his personal gains run contrary to enough other wealthy people's personal gains. It will be a matter of who owns more congressional clout. Watch for a tipping point, when enough of the uber-wealthy stop fighting him because they've finally positioned themselves to profit from him.
DrmDoc Posted February 1, 2017 Posted February 1, 2017 I think it will take Trump committing treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors. Popularity has nothing to do with impeachment. Let me stick my neck out and predict that Trump will never be impeached. Not in his first term or his second. Let me stick my neck out and predict Trump will never be elected to a second term as he will be the most unpopular American president since George W.
StringJunky Posted February 1, 2017 Posted February 1, 2017 (edited) Let me stick my neck out and predict Trump will never be elected to a second term as he will be the most unpopular American president since George W. At least he looked like a president and acted like one. I get the same feeling seeing Trump as president as I might feel if Mickey Mouse was in the hot seat. Edited February 1, 2017 by StringJunky
dimreepr Posted February 1, 2017 Posted February 1, 2017 I think it will take Trump committing treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors. I'll take that bet...
Commander Posted February 1, 2017 Posted February 1, 2017 This is what I wrote before the Election : USA the Most Powerful Nation Must be lead with due Caution Preventing Global Disaster Without Noise and Bluster By any ABC, Trump or Clinton There was a Man called Trump Whose Lies no one could Lump His Secret Sins got Spilled Many a Hearts he Chilled So ended up a sore Grump Now I am wondering what to write next !
dimreepr Posted February 1, 2017 Posted February 1, 2017 Now I am wondering what to write next ! If you've got any sense of self-preservation, it'll be something nice.
Raider5678 Posted February 1, 2017 Posted February 1, 2017 Honestly, I'm still waiting around to see how bad he actually is. If he can successfully trick the American people he's doing great, then he's in line for the second term.
EdEarl Posted February 1, 2017 Posted February 1, 2017 Obama care repeal lost 3M jobs. I expect job loss will be high for the foreseeable future, and Trump won't be able to hang on.
Ten oz Posted February 2, 2017 Posted February 2, 2017 Trump already seems willing to ignore court orders what is to stop him from ignoring Congress? The pattern seems to be that Trump does something unprecedented, experts debate all various legal ramifications, Trump surrogates heckle the experts, and then Trump makes another unprecedented move and the cycle continues. The OP asks what will it take. It would take an act of Congress and for now it appears Congress won't act. Inthe 2018 mid term Democrats have 23 Seats up for electionand Republicans only have 9 up. Big advance there for the GOP. In the House Democrfats would need to pick up 30 seats. That is very hard to do with all the gerrymandered districts. So Trump's position is actually fairly safe.
iNow Posted February 2, 2017 Posted February 2, 2017 Calls for impeachment are premature. Try not to shoot until you can see the whites of their eyes.
Airbrush Posted February 2, 2017 Author Posted February 2, 2017 (edited) I think it will take Trump committing treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors. Popularity has nothing to do with impeachment. All it took to impeach Bill Clinton is he lied to congress about sex with Monica Lewinsky. "After the 1998 elections, the House impeached Clinton, alleging perjury and obstruction of justice related to the Lewinsky scandal.[43] Clinton was only the second U.S. President to be impeached, after Andrew Johnson. Impeachment proceedings were based on allegations that Clinton had illegally lied about and covered up his relationship with 22-year-old White House (and later Department of Defense) employee Monica Lewinsky" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton#Impeachment_and_acquittal Edited February 2, 2017 by Airbrush 1
waitforufo Posted February 2, 2017 Posted February 2, 2017 The OP asks what will it take. It would take an act of Congress and for now it appears Congress won't act. Inthe 2018 mid term Democrats have 23 Seats up for election and Republicans only have 9 up. Big advance there for the GOP. In the House Democrfats would need to pick up 30 seats. That is very hard to do with all the gerrymandered districts. So Trump's position is actually fairly safe. It wouldn't matter if 100% of the Senate and 100% of the House were Democrats if President Donald Trump has not committed treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors. He cannot be impeached unless he has committed one of these offences. Calls for impeachment are premature. Try not to shoot until you can see the whites of their eyes. Come on, let them talk about it, the meltdown is so much fun to watch. All it took to impeach Bill Clinton is he lied to congress about sex with Monica Lewinsky. "After the 1998 elections, the House impeached Clinton, alleging perjury and obstruction of justice related to the Lewinsky scandal.[43] Clinton was only the second U.S. President to be impeached, after Andrew Johnson. Impeachment proceedings were based on allegations that Clinton had illegally lied about and covered up his relationship with 22-year-old White House (and later Department of Defense) employee Monica Lewinsky" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton#Impeachment_and_acquittal Perjury and obstruction of justice are high crimes. If you recall, Mr. Clinton was also disbarred, both before Arkansas courts and before the Supreme Court, and was also fined $25,000.00. By the way, to date, only Democratic presidents have been impeached. That makes me even more confident that Trump will not be impeached.
Airbrush Posted February 2, 2017 Author Posted February 2, 2017 (edited) All Trump needs to do is lie to congress about something the GOP are sensitive about. Is Trump prone to blatant lying? Would he lie to congress about a military operation that ended in total disaster because he was reckless? Is he one to test the boundaries of what is permissible by his office? Is he a loose cannon? Is he the perfect tool to use to blow everything up and then Pence and company can pick up the pieces and be heroes in the process? He was a bad boy as a child, as he himself called "rambunctious", so that he was the only one of his siblings that was send to military academy for discipline. He did well in military high school and reached the rank of captain. "[Donald] was an energetic child; his parents hoped that the discipline at the military school would allow him to channel his energy in a positive manner. In 1983, Fred Trump told an interviewer that Donald "was a pretty rough fellow when he was small". Is Trump still a "rough fellow"? He is a textbook example of personality disorder, or NPD (narcissistic personality disorder). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump#Early_life Edited February 2, 2017 by Airbrush
Ten oz Posted February 2, 2017 Posted February 2, 2017 It wouldn't matter if 100% of the Senate and 100% of the House were Democrats if President Donald Trump has not committed treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors. He cannot be impeached unless he has committed one of these offences. If he is secretly collaborating with Russia that would be treason. Lots of reasonable suspension he is. No proof he isn't. (Let's see his taxes) His conflicts of interest may easily be bribery.(let's see his taxes) Refusing or ordering others to refuse court orders could be reviewed as high crimes and misdemeanors.
DimaMazin Posted February 2, 2017 Posted February 2, 2017 By the way, to date, only Democratic presidents have been impeached. That makes me even more confident that Trump will not be impeached. By that way probability plays against republican presidend.
Ten oz Posted February 2, 2017 Posted February 2, 2017 By the way, to date, only Democratic presidents have been impeached. That makes me even more confident that Trump will not be impeached. Nixon is the last POTUS impeached and removed from office. Nixon was a Republican.
Delta1212 Posted February 2, 2017 Posted February 2, 2017 Nixon is the last POTUS impeached and removed from office. Nixon was a Republican. Technically, he resigned before he could be impeached.
dimreepr Posted February 2, 2017 Posted February 2, 2017 Technically, he resigned before he could be impeached. Ye, cuz there's a difference.
EdEarl Posted February 4, 2017 Posted February 4, 2017 With all the demonstrations against Trump, will the money men become anxious and tell Congress to impeach Trump? Or, will they let him continue for a while, because his policies are business friendly?
Delta1212 Posted February 4, 2017 Posted February 4, 2017 With all the demonstrations against Trump, will the money men become anxious and tell Congress to impeach Trump? Or, will they let him continue for a while, because his policies are business friendly? The question is: anxious about what?
iNow Posted February 4, 2017 Posted February 4, 2017 People making large investments tend not to be fans of uncertainty, whether in the market, the politics, or especially the rules. Add to that the likelihood of international sanctions and trade wars and their huge potential influence on multinationals and the answer becomes obvious.
Moontanman Posted February 4, 2017 Posted February 4, 2017 Take a deep breath and thing about the vice pres who would replace him....
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