Is this book worth your money? Trump: The Art of the Deal

[fresh]

i go through the content of this book. i wanna buy it.

how do you think ? anyone read it ?

[DrmDoc]

i go through the content of this book. i wanna buy it.

how do you think ? anyone read it ?

 

How? I'm a bit of a skeptic, so I think critically...I wouldn't buy the book though. I don't need nor want Donald's advice nor do I support his ventures.

[fresh]

 

How? I'm a bit of a skeptic, so I think critically...I wouldn't buy the book though. I don't need nor want Donald's advice nor do I support his ventures.

But he is a very successful businessman and now President of United States elected by american people.....

we are not that excellent as he is, so i never doubt there are lots of things we could learn from the likes of him.

i don't have any bias to successful men.

Edited February 8, 2017 by fresh

[DrmDoc]

But he is a very successful businessman and now President of United States elected by american people.....

we are not that excellent as he is, so i never doubt there are lots of things we could learn from the likes of him.

i don't have any bias to successful men.

 

He wasn't elected by a majority of the American people but rather by a quirk of America's electoral system. His success is deception; it's his remarkable ability to get others to believe as he does and believe what he says. Using other peoples money and labor without fair exchanges, using tax loopholes to avoid paying one's fair share, and repeatedly declaring bankruptcy aren't my idea of success. If you are interested in the art of deception, then you will likely find his book compelling.

[Phi for All]

But he is a very successful businessman and now President of United States elected by american people.....

we are not that excellent as he is, so i never doubt there are lots of things we could learn from the likes of him.

i don't have any bias to successful men.

 

I can give you the Cliff's Notes version if you like.

 

Grow up very wealthy and privileged, go to college, borrow money from your father to start your own business, be as ruthless as you possibly can, make deals that seem to benefit everybody involved but then refuse to hold up your end so you make money for almost no effort, ignore contracts that your lawyer can easily tie someone up in court over, make any promises you like but only keep the ones that make you money, don't EVER care about anyone who isn't your family, only deal with people who will do anything you say, viciously attack anyone who criticizes you, and above all keep repeating over and over about how great you are, because enough idiots will believe you eventually.

[fresh]

I know nothing about America's electoral system, so i can not comment...

No successful business men are not crafty. They have their unique strategy.

Obviously, you guys dislike Trump very much. Anyway, is he a good example of marketing oneself ?

you prefer Hillary Clinton.

Trump's triumph is a big blow to her and her supporters.

[DrmDoc]

I know nothing about America's electoral system, so i can not comment...

No successful business men are not crafty. They have their unique strategy.

Obviously, you guys dislike Trump very much. Anyway, is he a good example of marketing oneself ?

you prefer Hillary Clinton.

Trump's triumph is a big blow to her and her supporters.

 

In America's climate of bigotry and fear, Trump marketed himself very successfully. The art of success is about understanding your market, which involves understanding its needs and servicing those needs proficiently and economically. Trump catered to the basic, most intransient need of the America people, which is the need to feel secure. He inflamed their fears, then presented himself as the person most able to squelch the flames of those fears. You don't need Trump's book to achieve his level of success. More often, all you need are gullible supporters and consumers whose fears blind them to facts and reason. In business or ambition, knowing the marketplace's needs and providing the right product to satisfy those needs is where success begins.

Edited February 8, 2017 by DrmDoc

[iNow]

He didn't even write the book. It's there merely as another way for him to dupe the ignorant into giving him their money

[CharonY]

Just like enrolling at Trump University while eating rotten Trump steaks and drinking Trump wine.

[iNow]

But they're beautiful rotten, the very best rotten steaks, like no rotten steaks you've eva had.

[CharonY]

Everyone says so, believe me.

[Phi for All]

we are not that excellent as he is, so i never doubt there are lots of things we could learn from the likes of him.

 

When did people like him become role models for humanity? In fiction, the ruthless businessman who can't succeed unless he makes others fail is always the antagonist. He basically lives completely against the Golden Rule (the most universally recognized moral foundation), unless you believe he prefers to be ridiculed, tormented, treated unfairly, ripped-off, lied to, touched without his consent, marginalized, and discriminated against.

 

In most stories, people like him always meet with a bad end, or the audience wishes he would but he doesn't, and you're not left with admiration, but with frustration that the bad guy won this time. Why is the ruthless businessman suddenly wearing a white hat? You've read the stories/histories. Do you think the ruthless businessman is sincere in his desire to suddenly help the people he's always NOT treated as he'd like to be treated?

 

Why do you think he's more excellent than you?

[swansont]

But he is a very successful businessman

 

 

By what metric do you arrive at that conclusion?

[Arete]

But he is a very successful businessman and now President of United States elected by american people.....

we are not that excellent as he is, so i never doubt there are lots of things we could learn from the likes of him.

i don't have any bias to successful men.

 

 

The art of the deal was ghost written by an author named Tony Schwartz. THe book wasn't even written by Donald Trump. I've not read it so I have no idea if it's worth reading or not,but if the goal is to learn about/from Donald Trump, it has no value.

[iNow]

By what metric do you arrive at that conclusion?

Indeed. If one wants to learn to be a better marketer, then he's your man, but businessman? Nope: http://www.newsweek.com/2016/08/12/donald-trumps-business-failures-election-2016-486091.html

[Phi for All]

Better marketer? Is the lying snake oil salesman who cares about nothing but profit a better marketer because he tricks more people into buying from him?

 

Perhaps this is part of why the ruthless businessman is admired. Marketing is allowed to have certain levels of dishonesty in order to be effective, it seems.

[DrmDoc]

Better marketer? Is the lying snake oil salesman who cares about nothing but profit a better marketer because he tricks more people into buying from him?

 

Perhaps this is part of why the ruthless businessman is admired. Marketing is allowed to have certain levels of dishonesty in order to be effective, it seems.

 

Wow, Phi. Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel.

[Phi for All]

Wow, Phi. Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel.

 

I spent decades in sales, marketing, and business. I always avoided unethical practices yet prospered nonetheless. It seems there is more admiration for extreme wealth than there is disdain for ruthless predatory scheming in many people's minds. Honesty seems to be losing favor quite quickly.

[DrmDoc]

I think we are at the beginning of a cycle of greed and ruthlessness akin to that which began in the 80's under Reagan. It's unfortunate that Trump's methods could be viewed by people in other nations as a model for their success. I think they will be incredibly disappointed because Donald's achievements aren't what he says or what they seem.

Edited February 8, 2017 by DrmDoc

[rangerx]

But he is a very successful businessman and now President of United States elected by american people.....

we are not that excellent as he is, so i never doubt there are lots of things we could learn from the likes of him.

i don't have any bias to successful men.

 

If you want to learn how to ruthlessly stiff others by reneging on contractual obligations because you have them over a barrel, then this book is for you.

 

It's not for me though, because my word is my bond.

[swansont]

Better marketer? Is the lying snake oil salesman who cares about nothing but profit a better marketer because he tricks more people into buying from him?

 

Perhaps this is part of why the ruthless businessman is admired. Marketing is allowed to have certain levels of dishonesty in order to be effective, it seems.

 

 

Marketing isn't quite the same as sales, and if you don't have the best product you have to convince people some other way. Trump goes past marketing, though, and into fraud. He's a con man.

 

But a businessman? He couldn't make a profit running a casino. 'nuff said.

[fresh]

@But a businessman? He couldn't make a profit running a casino. 'nuff said.

 

why he couldn't make a profit running a casino ? because it went bust ?

His grandfather and father are businessmen and very wealthy.

[fresh]

@Honesty seems to be losing favor quite quickly.

 

Honesty is a virtue. we never deny it.

However in this fiercely competitive market 100% honesty in some way is fatal.

Marketing is always full of deception & misleadingness.

 

 

By what metric do you arrive at that conclusion?

 

His business is so thriving, and he makes himself top 1%.

I am not money-oriented. You have to admit that his skills of running business & marketing himself are good. No wonder he won the presidency.

 

No matter you say he is a liar. He is a damn good liar !

 

Winning the presidency is not easy.

People say The Art of the Deal tells the secret of it.

[swansont]

 

His business is so thriving, and he makes himself top 1%.

 

 

Many of his businesses went bankrupt, though he personally became enriched by some of these events.

@But a businessman? He couldn't make a profit running a casino. 'nuff said.

 

why he couldn't make a profit running a casino ? because it went bust ?

His grandfather and father are businessmen and very wealthy.

 

A casino has a built-in profit advantage. He went belly-up.

 

That his father and grandfather were successful has no bearing on his abilities.

[DrmDoc]

@Honesty seems to be losing favor quite quickly.

 

Honesty is a virtue. we never deny it.

However in this fiercely competitive market 100% honesty in some way is fatal.

Marketing is always full of deception & misleadingness.

 

I think the most valid point being made here is that Donald Trump didn't write that book himself. If you buy that book, you're buying someone else's approach to the "Art Of The Deal", not Trump's. Trump was merely a muse for the book's true author.