Specified Reality and truths perspective

[Randolpin]

We live in this reality where we become familiar about it's nature. But as a conscious being did you ask the same question I'm asking now that is "Why our reality has this specific properties and not the other way around? " There are many candidates but why this is the type of reality we live?

 

In truths, I have my perspective that truths could be classified into absolute and designed.

Let me give an example of each:

1. Absolute truth.. example is mathematics. It can't be altered or our logic can't alter or change it, therefore absolute.

2. Designed truth.. example is the law of gravity. Our logic can think that gravity could act in other way around. Unlike math, gravity doesn't have fundamental necessity why it exist that way. Math on the other hand is necessarily fundamental.

 

I hope you understand what I'm talking about. You can still ask questions with regards to my reasoning. Thank you..

Edited April 11, 2017 by Randolpin

[Country Boy]

Actually, every philosopher/scientitst asks those questions. Though I think the word "designed" has implications you did not intend.

[Strange]

Though I think the word "designed" has implications you did not intend.

 

 

I wouldn't be too sure about that.

[imatfaal]

We live in this reality where we become familiar about it's nature. But as a conscious being did you ask the same question I'm asking now that is "Why our reality has this specific properties and not the other way around? " There are many candidates but why this is the type of reality we live?

 

In truths, I have my perspective that truths could be classified into absolute and designed.

Let me give an example of each:

1. Absolute truth.. example is mathematics. It can't be altered or our logic can't alter or change it, therefore absolute.

2. Designed truth.. example is the law of gravity. Our logic can think that gravity could act in other way around. Unlike math, gravity doesn't have fundamental necessity why it exist that way. Math on the other hand is necessarily fundamental.

 

I hope you understand what I'm talking about. You can still ask questions with regards to my reasoning. Thank you..

 

Maths is axiom based - it is just that the axiomata are far more fundamental.

 

The bases of mathematics are so ingrained in us that we almost work back to them to understand what they are - but they are still assumptions which we deem to be true and offer no proof to their veracity. There are "mathematics" which have been constructed with different axiomatic foundations - they are just as valid. The prime example is now so well known as to be difficult to conceive the study without it - but for many centuries people assumed Euclid's parallel postulate was correct and a truth; when mathematicians took the different approach of assuming that the parallel postulate did not hold a brand new geometry was born (ok that is simlpified) much of modern science relies on that new geometry.

[Randolpin]

 

Maths is axiom based - it is just that the axiomata are far more fundamental.

 

The bases of mathematics are so ingrained in us that we almost work back to them to understand what they are - but they are still assumptions which we deem to be true and offer no proof to their veracity. There are "mathematics" which have been constructed with different axiomatic foundations - they are just as valid. The prime example is now so well known as to be difficult to conceive the study without it - but for many centuries people assumed Euclid's parallel postulate was correct and a truth; when mathematicians took the different approach of assuming that the parallel postulate did not hold a brand new geometry was born (ok that is simlpified) much of modern science relies on that new geometry.

 

 

It seems to me that mathematics is the resultant property of our logical thinking. When we say resultant property, it is the result of our logical thinking abilities..

[Bender]

The law of gravity is not a truth, it is a law, a model.

[Manticore]

 

 

I wouldn't be too sure about that.

The big question about design, is, that if things are designed, why are they so often designed so bloody badly?

[studiot]

Do we not already have an alternative and dare I say better classification.

 

Subjective and Objective?

 

Properties including gravity would fall into the subjective category.

The great steop forward due to Einstein was to show that many so called properties depend upin the observer and no one observer's view is preferable.

 

Maths would fall into the objective category, but Russell, Godel and others showed that there are limits to this.

Maths is certainly not 'absolute', partly as imatfaal showed and partly due to Godels theorems.

[imatfaal]

Do we not already have an alternative and dare I say better classification.

 

Subjective and Objective?

 

Properties including gravity would fall into the subjective category.

The great steop forward due to Einstein was to show that many so called properties depend upin the observer and no one observer's view is preferable.

 

Maths would fall into the objective category, but Russell, Godel and others showed that there are limits to this.

Maths is certainly not 'absolute', partly as imatfaal showed and partly due to Godels theorems.

 

Agree - although I might be more tempted to pass on the idea of real objectivity and instead use the (admittedly clunk and horrid) idea of inter-subjective agreement; we don't really know if we are being objective - just that whoever looks at the phenomenon tends to find the same conclusions

[Randolpin]

Math is essential in studying our reality. Therefore it seems to me that math is the bases of how our reality works.Our reality is written in the language of mathematics.For example "natural gravity" (the type of gravity we are common of) is explain by mathematical equations and "reverse gravity" (gravity which acts on reverse) is also explain by mathematics thru equations. By this reasoning, I conclude that math is absolute because it is applicable both in "natural gravity" and "reverse gravity".Natural gravity on the other hand is not absolute because it can be altered into "reverse gravity" therefore this type of gravity must be designed to exist rather than "reverse gravity".

[Manticore]

Math is essential in studying our reality. Therefore it seems to me that math is the bases of how our reality works.Our reality is written in the language of mathematics.For example "natural gravity" (the type of gravity we are common of) is explain by mathematical equations and "reverse gravity" (gravity which acts on reverse) is also explain by mathematics thru equations. By this reasoning, I conclude that math is absolute because it is applicable both in "natural gravity" and "reverse gravity".Natural gravity on the other hand is not absolute because it can be altered into "reverse gravity" therefore this type of gravity must be designed to exist rather than "reverse gravity".

 

"Reverse Gravity"? Where? Show me some.

[Randolpin]

"Reverse Gravity"? Where? Show me some.

I don't mean that it exist elsewhere but atleast in theoretical sense it can thru math..